Of course we should allow spanking in the public schools! Where else can bad little boys learn the joys of being spanked by an older woman? How are these little boys going to grow up into men who make good subs?

Seriously, I can sort of see both sides of the issue. You don't want a teacher, principal, lunch lady, aide, etc. spanking any child they want to on a whim. You need to keep it in control; there have to be some limits on the amount and type of corporal punshiment.

When I was a child, effectively there weren't any, especially on parents. The schools didn't like giving out corporal punishment, so they would call the parents with any infraction. In my case, that was not a really good idea, as I've had all of my fingers broken, most of them at least twice, usually in a VERY DELIBERATE move as an act of punishment, broken ribs, a couple of fractured skulls... This was all effectively legal, as I was never taken to a doctor or hospital to have the bones set; my mother did a pretty good job. The neighbors called CPS once, and they checked to see how many bedrooms were in the house, and determined from that that no abuse was going on! Never mind that I had the only bedroom that had a door that would close!

We can't just let children do what they want. There must be some limits placed in their lives. They willl test those limits. They need to be told when they've reached one, and if they want to go further, a swat will get the child's attention. In the case of school personel, put it in some very close guidelines and what the causes of it are to be. Also, the administration of the punishment would have to be well defined: No hits above the shoulders, no hitting below the knees, no hitting genitalia, no blows to organs (no kidney blows, stomach punches, etc), no hitting physically handicapped children. All blows to be done with an open hand. (Let's not have the janitor beating the kids with his fists.) All punishment done with the child fully clothed. At least 2 adults must be present for each instance of corporal punishment.

I've no children but I am aware of the policies of local school systems and there is no spanking allowed in any of the immediate local schools.

And too......as far as I remember (not that I ever needed it *dons my silver painted "halo" hanger*) they outlawed spanking in the school system I grew up in when I was about 7 y/o.

Nowadays though........a spanking ain't gonna cut it for all the kids (of any age) who have NO respect for any authority what-so-ever! Respect is becoming a lost commodity to some school age kids. The "I know everything and you can't tell me what to do" attitude has become much more prevailing........and the ability to disipline your very own child has become a scary egg shell walk. Children now think any spanking is considered child abuse and I've heard of cases where the kids contact authorities or threaten contacting them if they get a spanking.

I abhor child abuse.............but I am none the worse for the wear of some of the spankings I got when I was young and "bad". As a matter of fact.......I might be a better person BECAUSE of them! Don't get me wrong......my dad was an asshole.......but I am living proof that no matter the horrible circumstances one grows up in......you make your own choices and you cannot hold others responsible for your actions (say.....13 or older.......younger children are a possible exception). When you become of an age when there is no doubt of right and wrong.....and you continually choose the wrong path and act out in a socially unacceptable way........it is you and you alone who is at fault! The consequences should fit the "crime". I don't know that spankings are a suitable consequence.......but children being as materialistic as they seem in this day and age.......I'd say, take something they hold dear away from them till they realize and prove and acknowledge that they have wronged and feel remorse and have changed their ways! And.............don't trust them any further than you can thow them......because they might say one thing but their actions might say another. Personally.......I think this new generation has to learn to earn/revive our (elders in authority) respect again. In years to come........if things don't change........we are going to be in deep trouble.

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If a teacher were to hit a student, what ever grade, the teacher would be fired, and charged with physical assault. If a parent was seen spanking there child in public, more then likely a call would be made to Child and Family Service. Spanking is no longer excepted here. Who decides what appropriate is? The angry adult? How hard? When does it become abuse?

As a former social worker, threats of spanking and spanking for discipline tend not to work. Appropriate punishment for the crime takes more work then a quick spank, but tends to have more of a lasting effect. I personally feel that there are always an option to spanking.

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campingboy---I beg to differ with you.I don't think that teachers
should spank kids but I beleive that parents should.I don't mean
BEAT, but spank.My parents did & I deserved it.It didn't make me
a phsical freak& tought me that there were consequences for
my actions.My kids give their kids,"Time-Outs"instead of a spanking&from what my wife & I see,it does no good whatsoever
With all of the things that parents give kids now,they would,
probably,love to be sent to their room.That way,they could watch
TV,listen to the sterio,play video games,look at porn sites on the
computer,etc.Everyone differs,but that's my way of thinking.My
daughters are in their 30s now.They each have two children&I
am still,very close with them! Irish
P.S.My $.02.

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I understand what you are saying Irish. I think I was hit maybe twice in all my life. The problem is how do you define in law what is Ok and what is not. 5 spanks is ok, but 6 is abuse? Spanking through the cloths is fine, bare bum is not. The law need to be able to define limits. There can not be grey areas. Thus I still think I have to support the 'No Spanking' camp.

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When I was in social work I worked with girls that were either sexually or physically abused. The facility was a lock-up so that we could monitor them. They had done nothing against the law. They were just in so much internal pain that they were always hurting themselves. By locking them up we could control who and what they had access to. Some girls were with us for over two years.

I'm not a parent, so it is easy for me to say 'spanking is not the best option'. Many people can set limits for what is appropriate and what is not. But not everyone can do that. It is for those that can not set the limits that I support the law of no spanking.

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Okay now coming as a preschool teacher, as well as a school-age activities counselor (under 13) I do believe there are many children that would benefit from a beating with a buggy whip. (that was a quote) but you can only say "Johnny it is disrespectful to tell your teacher that you wish she 'would get hit by a truck until she was dead all over the road and never come back' just because she asked you to wash up for lunch." That was a three year old..... what a concept. or the ten year old (who just happens to be the Directors' son) whose mother called him to her just to ask him to be quieter, she chased him around the room four times with him yelling "you're stupid, you're slow and fat and old...etc" back at her then he sprinted down the hall and locked her out of her office. The same child changes the rules when it suits him and complains that no one is playing by the rules when he loses. He mocks his teachers, makes threats of physical violence against other students and teachers, and mom and dad excuse it all because he "has ADD and allergies". This is not a school for troubled children it's not a state school. It is a Montessori preschool and learning center and unfortunately those aren't the worst children.
Is spanking legal here? no. Should it be? Probably not. Are the parents doing their jobs? For the most part, no. They want to pay someone else to raise their child but take away the right to do more than time out. Sitting in the corner is illegal as well unless specified by the parent.

I'm not a parent and I never hope to be one. The last thing I want is a rugrat of my own that I have to worry about.

Kyttn

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Bamakyttn,

Preach on sister! I don't think the spankings would help, but I do recognize all the behaviors you described. Just in yesterday's paper, in Newburgh, New York a mother and two sons were charged with beating a teacher, a woman, with a chair and a desk. She was choked, punched and then beaten with furniture by a 34 year old mother and her 17 and 12 year old sons, for having the 12 year old suspended for spitting in her face and pushing her. This beating occurred in front of the 11 year old son of the victim. MyI am so upset about this that I can hardly stand it. Obviously a spanking would not work, even my suggestion, earlier on the board of expulsion/suspension did not work, what can you do as a teacher when parents are willing to come into the school and beat you?

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The problem is if ya do....ya end up in the court system or prison

The thing that really pisses me off...is the do-gooders that say that you can't discipline your kids (timeout is the main option left to us now ) haven't even got bloody kids.....they have absolutely no clue as to what parents have to deal with!! And that they are making it bloody harder to do parenting

In my day as a kid....most families had at least one parent home all the time......now days both parents usually have to work to provide enough money to survive...leaving the kids either at home alone or in daycare....

Kids of today see very little of their parents....and its a sad thing!

And i don't believe lumping the blame back on the parents is fair either.....its a society problem!!

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