I have just one thing to say:
Some people deserve a full-on ass kicking. Would anyone have any problem with any of these sick-fuck protestestors falling off a cliff?


Ogden soldier remembered
JENNIFER JACOBS and JARED STRONG
REGISTER STAFF WRITER

April 18, 2006

Ogden, Ia. – Daniel L. Sesker took the job of being lead gunner with his unit in Iraq because he "wanted to be upfront'' a friend told more than 1,000 family, friends, soldiers and neighbors gathered this morning at his funeral in the high school gymnasium.

Sesker, a 22-year-old Iowa Army National Guard sergeant, was killed about 30 miles northwest of Tikrit, Iraq, when a roadside bomb exploded near his truck earlier this month. He was the 36th Iowan to die in combat in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Two of Sesker's best friends, Sgt. David Bollenbaugh and Spc. Shane Sinn, who were serving with him in Iraq attended this morning's funeral. They told mourners that Sesker sought out the assignment of lead gunner because he thought of himself as a protector and guardian.

After the 90-minute service, family attended a private burial in nearby Boone. The procession was escorted by about 70 members of the Patriot Guard, an organization recently formed by veterans’ motorcycle groups and motorcycle enthusiasts to show respect for service members and offer protection for mourning families.

Prior to this morning's funeral, a group of nine demonstrators stood in plain view of arriving mourners 530-feet away, across the street from the high school. The three teenage women, four adult women, one adult male and one young boy left their spot on the windswept road without incident at 10:04, or four minutes after the scheduled beginning of Sesker's funeral.

Displaying placards that declared, "You're Going To Hell,'' "Fag Vets,'' and "Thank God for Dead Soldiers,'' the group was far enough away to be in compliance with legislation enacted Monday outlawing protests near funerals in Iowa.

Gov. Tom Vilsack, traveling in the Middle East, signed the bill into law Monday afternoon. It's the first time that he has enacted legislation while not in the country. The new law bans disorderly conduct, such as abusive language or disruptive behavior, within 500 feet of a funeral, memorial service, funeral procession or burial.

Ogden Police Chief Mick Bailey said he had planned to put the protesters on the spot 530-feet away from the high school even before Vilsack signed the law.

Protesters at this morning's funeral said they were members of Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan. Members began protesting at soldiers’ funerals in June, claiming that God is killing the soldiers because the United States and U.S. military condone homosexuality.Members of the Patriot Guard help provide a human barrier at funerals to protect mourners from hearing and seeing the protesters, if needed.

Keith Callaway of Glenwood, captain of the Iowa Patriot Guard, said they had asked permission of Sesker's family to attend today's funeral.

Callaway said even though the Patriot Guard offers to provide a human barrier to protesters, they do not seek confrontation.

"What I tell my people to do is turn their back to them so we don't even acknowledge their existence,'' Callaway said of the protesters. "Anyone that comes to a place like this with hate-filled messages doesn't even deserve to be recognized."

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"Women, you can't live with them ... pass the beer nuts." - Norm Peterson (George Wednt) on Cheers

"Sometimes you just have to say, what the fuck." - Tom Cruise in Risky Business

"It tastes so good. Once it hits your lips." - Frank the Tank in Old School

This is why more people should be supporting such organizations as; Americans United for the Separation of Church and State headed by Barry Linn,who by the way is himelf an ordained minister and not the radical athiest that that self angrandising sociaopathic television evangelist Pat Robertson says he is. I say it is time to remove the tax exempt status that most churches enjoy if they insist on being used as political platforms for right wingnuts bent on making this country a theoracy. These nut cases with the placards standing asross the road from a funeral for an Iraqi war vet is just a symptem of a much larger problem.

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lakritze,

I agree that people should avoid unnecessarily inserting their political agenda into inappropriate venues.

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jseal,
Unlike the implication in your reply, lakritze was *not* injecting his political agenda to an inappropriate forum. Whether or not you agree with his political agenda (which he made no efforts to state explicitly), Coach Knight in fact, asked about exactly that issue. To whit:

"would anyone have a problem with..." asks for a personal point of view.
"these sick-fuck protestors..." asks whether or not one agrees with CK's point of view.

Now, of course, it is difficult to puzzle out what exactly CK's point of view is, since, while he did state explicitly *what* he would like to do (in the abstract, and thus, protected speech, and not a personal threat) with the "sick-fuck" protesters, he didn't state *why*-that is, what is motivations are.

Would CK like to see them fall off a cliff because they insisted on harassing an essentially private ceremony?

Would he like to see them fall off a cliff because they stated their case in about as offensive a manner as they could come up with?

Would he like to see them fall off a cliff because their inherent message is offensive to him, personally?

Some combination of these motivations?

Hm...

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gekkogecko,

Are you suggesting that I should disagree with lakritze?

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I"m not suggesting that you should either agree or disagree with lakritze.

I'm suggesting that Coach Knight should delve into this more deeply-I really would like to know where he's coming from on this particular issue.

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gekkogecko,

Then why take issue with my original post?

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Ask and you shall receive.

While I am personally disgusted by the idea of these assholes protesting a funeral of a dead serviceman, I am even more disgusted in the fact that, no matter how that person died, a family should have the right to mourn their dead family member in private.

How one feels about the war, I can not believe any American or anyone else would take pleasure in a military person's death and then try and extract more sick pleasure in rubbing the family's face in that death.
Losing a loved one, especially a child is probably the worst thing that can happen to a parent, and they should be allowed to greive privately.

When you are fucking with people's raw emotions such as shoving the face of a parent or loved one losing a child, bad, bad things will happen. These shitheads will push the wrong person at the wrong time, and I for one, won't feel the slightest bit of sorrow for what happens to the protesters.

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"Women, you can't live with them ... pass the beer nuts." - Norm Peterson (George Wednt) on Cheers

"Sometimes you just have to say, what the fuck." - Tom Cruise in Risky Business

"It tastes so good. Once it hits your lips." - Frank the Tank in Old School

Because, agree or disagree, you implied that he shouldn't state his politcal position in this forum. Whereas, as I have pointed out, CK started this thread to ask exactly that kind of question. Of course, it is possible that since it was only an implication, and not an outright statement, that I mis-read the intent of your original reply to this thread.

Coach:
Thank you. I have to agree, you have a valid point. Whatever one's feelings about this war, war in general, or about the value of serving as a soldier in the US or any other military structure, there really are certain things which need to be private. And the death of a loved one nees to be kept exactly as private as the family/friends of the loved one wish it to be.

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gekkogecko,

I am placed in a difficult situation if I am taken to task when I agree with lakritze that people should avoid advancing their political points of view in inappropriate places or at inappropriate times. It would seem that we agree about that.

not sure what's more depressing: the people who pull crappy stunts like this or the fact that we actually need a law to prevent it.

do unto others....

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As a believer in "what comes around, goes around" I take comfort in knowing that one day these protesters will get an emotional stab to the heart 3x as bad as what they dished out.

Ogden Iowa is one of my stops to refuel when I travel to northern Iowa... Now when i stop, I'll always think of the family and hope that they are healing.

wyndhy,

Yes mam. It seems that fewer and fewer people respect what used to be the civilized norm of leaving other people alone. Another example of a group that has had to have legal force brought to bear upon their actions is anti-abortion protesters.

Perhaps it is only because it is more frequently reported these days, but it does seem that the common decency of self restraint is more often ignored than it used to be.

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i did a google search on this church, wanting to know if they normally do this crap. it seems they do have a horrible habbit , google it , i dont wanna sit here and copy and paste, i wonder how they would feel in the other persons shoes. doesnt the Bible teach tolerance love and compassion (among many other things) i just dont understand how a church can condone acts of hatred..........

my heart goes out to the family of the lost soldier, may they have comfort in their time of need, and may their lost one find his place in heaven (or where ever you belive good people go) . thank you to all our soldiers !

~nikki

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