Murphy,

Defining virginity as "vaginal sex" leaves soooo much out and unaccounted for.

How would you define a man who had been with some number of men (it could be 1 or it could be 1000s), but never a woman. Would you say that he's a virgin? How about a woman who has had sex with some number of women but never a man?

How about a rape victim? She (or he) was certainly not in the frame of mind to be having sex, and certainly not enjoying it.

I personally consider that I've lost my virginity several times.
- The first thing I remember about being alive I was being mollested in my crib, by a woman. In that sense, I suppose I was "never" a virgin so don't know what I'm talking about.
- I remember sometime later, not a lot, being mollested (raped - forced anal intercourse then several years later (don't ask me) vaginal intercourse.).
- My first consensual sexual encounters were with women. The first one was a *very* special lady, whom I'll never forget. She certainly took my virginity in a glorious manner.
- When I was 20, I had a consensual encounter with a man, whom I lived with for 5 years afterward. That was wonderful too.

So, when did I lose my virginity? First nonconsensual encounter with a woman? First (anal) nonconsensual encounter with a man? First (vaginal) nonconsensual encounter with a man? First consensual encounter with a woman? First consensual encounter with a man?

I hate virgins. ) I destroy them whenever I find them. (So far, I've changed 4 people into "non virgins" )

Did I really though? I hear a virgin is someone who no longer has their skin. 2 of those 4 people were uncircumcised men. They've both still got their skin. Did I really take their virginity? ) )