Fish question not sex related :)

[sodaklostsoul]

So on a 5.5 gallon tank that had room temp water put in and then a heater put in for 30 hours, should the water still feel cold? Wouldn't 78 degree water feel warm?

[AZRedHot]

Perhaps not to a hand that is 98.6 degrees itself.

[Lilith]

No help here just wanted to say that all my Fish questions are sex related.

[sodaklostsoul]

True Red, I got a temp. strip for the side. :)

LOL Lilith.

I also went and got a different heater and like this one better. Returning the other one tomarrow. I'm not happy with the sales people. If stores(Meijer) are going to sell fish they need to get people who know what they are doing.

[PantyFanatic]

No help here just wanted to say that all my Fish questions are sex related.
You still have questions? :confused:



Sharni .............. (OilyFanatic/Noah/FagNasty/BudLover) can give you the best temp range for whatever type fish you're incarcerating I'm sure, but I think you'll want a thermometer in that tank. :nod:

[Lilith]

You still have questions? :confused:





Well not as many as I had before but you know how nosey I am :p

[PantyFanatic]

..... If stores(Meijer) are going to sell fish they need to get people who know what they are doing.
What country are you buying your fish from? :wobbly:

[sodaklostsoul]

:trout:

[gekkogecko]

Sodak: those temperature strips are notoriously inaccurate. Best advice is probably to get a "real" theremometer.

[sodaklostsoul]

Sodak: those temperature strips are notoriously inaccurate. Best advice is probably to get a "real" theremometer.
Ya, did that. Thanks.

[Scarecrow]

Fish just die. I know, I raised them off and on for 20 years. Get her a Hamster. LOL

[sodaklostsoul]

Fish just die. I know, I raised them off and on for 20 years. Get her a Hamster. LOL
lol, we did kind of want one but the landlord won't let that go so it was a fish. If he dies we'll get another. Hopefully he'll be ok for a bit.

[Fangtasia]

My tank water feels warm when i put my hand in, i run my tanks around 25C (75F), anything over that is really only needed for discus.

Strip thermometers are ok, as stated not 100% accurate, but tare pretty good. Most put them in the wrong position in the tank. They need to be placed near the bottom of the tank and away from the heater. I have a few tanks with strip ones, had no probs.

I did (note the did) have the 'real' type, but the suction cups eventually give way and they then become a problem, usually ending with them breaking and you then having to toss and substrate due to the fine glass in it.

I now have a thermometer that does not stay in any of the tanks, i check the tanks during maintenance, or if i think there is a problem, then put it away *L*

What sort of fish are you getting?

[sodaklostsoul]

My tank water feels warm when i put my hand in, i run my tanks around 25C (75F), anything over that is really only needed for discus.

Strip thermometers are ok, as stated not 100% accurate, but tare pretty good. Most put them in the wrong position in the tank. They need to be placed near the bottom of the tank and away from the heater. I have a few tanks with strip ones, had no probs.

I did (note the did) have the 'real' type, but the suction cups eventually give way and they then become a problem, usually ending with them breaking and you then having to toss and substrate due to the fine glass in it.

I now have a thermometer that does not stay in any of the tanks, i check the tanks during maintenance, or if i think there is a problem, then put it away *L*

What sort of fish are you getting?
We got a red parrot.

[Fangtasia]

A hybrid cichlid.

Your tank may not be big enough for him though, it should matures to 6 - 8 inches

[sodaklostsoul]

A hybrid cichlid.

Your tank may not be big enough for him though, it should matures to 6 - 8 inches
I found that out already and will be getting a bigger tank. That's why I'm pissed at the sales person. I told him what size tank I had and he sold me the fish anyway. He knew to tell me I needed heat and air but not a bigger tank.

[Lord Snow]

Truth be told, this is why I always do my research before buying now. Especially if it's a fish I know nothing about. Unless it's a common tetra or a goldfish I look into what I'm thinking about getting first. 6-8 inches isn't that bad though. Not compared my 12 inch Oscar. Kind of wish I could have put him in a 30-50 gallon tank instead of the ten I had him in.

[Fangtasia]

Salespeople are well known for selling people stuff they really shouldnt have, especially in the fish department. They dont care as long as they have made the sale.

6-8 inches is very bad when its in a 5.5gal tank. An oscar in a 10gal is also definately bad.

Doesnt matter what type of fish it is, wether its a goldfish, tetra or other, research is best, dont believe all stuff you are told especially by fish salespeople *L*

Common goldies are treated badly by most people, it annoys me when people think they are expendable. They are a very fast growing fish, growing to huge proportions in a year or less (under optimal conditions) & they can live for 20yrs. They are the most abused fish out there in my opinion. Crammed into small bowls or tank, under the false belief that they only grow to fit their housing. Sadly they dont grow, this is true, but in doing so it vastly shortens their lifespan, by stunting thier growth. It is a cruel practise.

Sorry soapbox there

Soda ~ great to see that you are looking at upgrading your parrots tank size, well done...would love to see pics :)

[Lord Snow]

I would have put my Oscar in a bigger tank, but my mom wouldn't let me since all the tetras and smaller tropical fish were in the 30 gallon......She didn't like the idea of my big fish eating her little ones.

I agree goldfish are pretty well abused except the fancier ones, but to be honest at literally only 15 cents for one.......they make cheap learning pets. I know it's cruel, but that's their designated by people lot in life. Not a lot, but their life.

[gekkogecko]

Crammed into small bowls or tank, under the false belief that they only grow to fit their housing.


Yeah, this myth persists about a lot of animals, not just gold fish. The only reason *any* animals only "grows to fit its environment" is that the animal dies rpematurely from crappy care.

[Fangtasia]

Sorry Lord Snow, if that was the case, the oscar should have been rehomed, not made to fit your lifestyle! If you can't upgrade when the fish needs it, you should not have it. Plain and simple.

I dont care how much a fish costs, using another animals life to 'learn' with is totally unacceptable. There is absolutely no excuse for this to happen, their is plenty of ways to get informed.

gekko ~ sadly you are right

Sorry guys but this is just something i feel strongly about.

[Lord Snow]

I believe I mentioned that I made the same mistake that Soda did in that I purchased before research. We were looking for a tank suitable for the size of him, but never got the chance. We even checked with fish stores in the local area and none would take him. Said he was to big for them to keep or try to sell.

I wasn't condoning what happens with goldfish, I was just stating that that's what people use them for. Me personally, I only used them to feed my Oscar.

[Fangtasia]

There are other options for fish than the lfs. I've put ads in my local paper, ads on the local notice boards, the internet...given them away if i have to. Never ever failed to find homes for pets that for whatever reason i have had to rehome....just a thought for anyone else that may get caught by their untruthful lfs

You never got a chance to get him a bigger tank? Whys that? Did it die?

Goldies aren't good feeders actually. They can cause problems for the fish at a later date. Not exactly sure what happens, but i know on another forum i'm on, they highly recommend they are not used as a regular feed.

A good pellet and proper cichlid frozen food is far better

[Lilith]

I wasn't condoning what happens with goldfish, I was just stating that that's what people use them for. Me personally, I only used them to feed my Oscar.

Not purposefully but my pond ones oft ended up as owl food :(

[Lord Snow]

I didn't feed him solely goldfish. I gave him pellets as a main diet and 5 goldfish once a month. Yes he died. One of the cats got on top of the tank, broke the lid and did enough damage to my fish that he died.

[BamaKyttn]

There are other options for fish than the lfs. I've put ads in my local paper, ads on the local notice boards, the internet...given them away if i have to. Never ever failed to find homes for pets that for whatever reason i have had to rehome....just a thought for anyone else that may get caught by their untruthful lfs


A good pellet and proper cichlid frozen food is far better



I have more of a problem with "giving away" a pet. people only value something at or below what they paid for them. if it's free it's completely expendable. I also do not like the idea of feeding an aggressive predatory fish like the aforementioned on a pelleted or frozen diet. My dogs get fresh raw meaty bones from time to time in addition to their diet, they also have been known to hunt their own small game when the notion strikes, as do the outdoor cats, my indoor cat gets raw as a rare treat as he like to eat it on the bed and doesn't like to eat in a dog crate lol. I also enjoy steaks ~ rare~ and sushi.

It is the cows lot in life, I know my beef, not talking about you love, on a first name basis. I raise, hand feed, call the slaughter house and have Don come pick up "hamburger" "porter" "roast" "t-bone" or who ever is munching in the catch pen and then after a few days I go pick him up in a lot of hard frozen paper wrapped bricks detailing the particular cut of the contents. The cows come when called and LordSnow and Marlboro have both had a laugh at my expense to see me stand at the pasture fence with a watermelon rind calling "Hey baby, come on baby!" and have 6 cows come galloping to me.

As for the people selling the fish, if these companies took more care in educating their employees and parents took more responsibility in educating themselves and their children before buying little Johnny a living breathing individual so that (s)he will have something else to bug besides mommy. I worked at a pet store, for a large chain.... I was a groomer but I took their "animal specialist" courses..... it was a joke you got a 30 page pamphlet on each division and took a 5 question test on each. I wasn't on the floor much in the fish or reptile/amphibian section because I refused sales to some customers because they obviously couldn't take care of these animals. People feel that if they can afford to buy it they are entitled to it. I was at a competitors store when I watched a MANAGER chase a customer down in the parking lot that had just purchased a semi- aquatic frog and told the man "BTW it does NOT need oxygen." then turn and walk back in looking like he just laid a golden egg.

The burden of knowledge should rest on the purchaser, or you will never know what you're buying.


:jacques:

I know I know

:rant:

I cant help it

:2cents:

Kyttn

[Fangtasia]

I have more of a problem with "giving away" a pet. people only value something at or below what they paid for them. if it's free it's completely expendable. I also do not like the idea of feeding an aggressive predatory fish like the aforementioned on a pelleted or frozen diet. My dogs get fresh raw meaty bones from time to time in addition to their diet, they also have been known to hunt their own small game when the notion strikes, as do the outdoor cats, my indoor cat gets raw as a rare treat as he like to eat it on the bed and doesn't like to eat in a dog crate lol. I also enjoy steaks ~ rare~ and sushi.
Giving away is FAR more humane in many cases than keeping something in unsatisfactory conditions IMO. I've been given many a free animal over the years and i certainly didnt think they were expendable, i cared and loved them no different than an animal i had paid hundreds for.

Nowhere Bama did i state that a predatory fish could not EVER have feeder fish, it is a fact that using them though as a SOLE part of a fishes diet is not good for them. I used to own oscars, also fed them on occassion feeder fish, i used to stun the feeder so that it death was not unecessarily cruel. The main staple of a fishes diet should be a good pellet or frozen food, these food are designed to meet the requirements of the fishes diet.

[sodaklostsoul]

So Mr. Fish likes to move rocks from one pile to another but it will swallow one here and there. Kiddo is concerned about that. Doubt it will poop it out so will it just come back up or what?

[Fangtasia]

They do love to redecorate *L* I wouldn't be too concerned, this is natural behaviour for many cichlids

[sodaklostsoul]

They do love to redecorate *L* I wouldn't be too concerned, this is natural behaviour for many cichlids
Thats what I tried telling her.:)

Thanks Fangtasia

[PantyFanatic]

They do love to redecorate *L* I wouldn't be too concerned, this is natural behaviour for many cichlids
Of course after while they can't get off the bottom and swim to to the top. :cool:








:roflmao:

[sodaklostsoul]

Of course after while they can't get off the bottom and swim to to the top. :cool:








:roflmao:
:fish: :fish: :fish:

[themi01]

HMMM so Oscars eat Gold....... OPPPSS.... Sorry for that observation

[BamaKyttn]

Giving away is FAR more humane in many cases than keeping something in unsatisfactory conditions IMO. I've been given many a free animal over the years and i certainly didnt think they were expendable, i cared and loved them no different than an animal i had paid hundreds for.

Nowhere Bama did i state that a predatory fish could not EVER have feeder fish, it is a fact that using them though as a SOLE part of a fishes diet is not good for them. I used to own oscars, also fed them on occassion feeder fish, i used to stun the feeder so that it death was not unecessarily cruel. The main staple of a fishes diet should be a good pellet or frozen food, these food are designed to meet the requirements of the fishes diet.



I never said EVERY person that has been given an animal regarded it as disposable. As far as more humane, I have a dog right now that two other pixies have seen is in bad enough shape to affect his quality of life and yet the "humane" vets REFUSE to euthanize him. A retired working dog who has had at least one perhaps more strokes in his back, he cannot even navigate the three steps into the house, he cannot scratch any itch on his body he doesn't have the coordination. <rest cont. privately>

and please do tell me How did you stun your feeders? drop a live wire into their tank? ah how I enjoy electrocution...... wait that was the lil girl from Addams Family
you can't sedate them that is harmful to your predatory fish
put the feeders in a bag and shake vigorously so they pass out?

anyone ever pissed on an electric fence?

Kyttn

[Fangtasia]

Then whoever the vets were that the dog was taken to, i personally would never go to again. My vet would have done it....I had to have my Scooby put down earlier this year due to quality of life issues.....if the dog in question had of been mine i would have kept looking for a vet with compassion, or a sharpshooting friend (sorry if that offends but its the truth)

Electrocution, Sedation, vigourous shaking? what the hell are you on about??? Jumping to conclusions much! I simply caught them in a net and flicked them in the head, it stuns them, and its quick.

[BamaKyttn]

welcome to this side of the pond lovie.

merely thumping your fish in the head can be considered animal cruelty here and with the right judge a felony. I was trying to figure out how you were stunning them, I'd be worried I'd gouge an eye or do more harm than good "thumping" them.

The rest of the vets I have never worked with and therefore would not allow me to put him down either. I had one dog that attacked my father, didn't draw blood, but attacked dad for walking into the kennel. The vets suggestion instead of putting a DOCUMENTED BITER down? Sell him as a guard dog, should be able to get good money for him since he's bitten someone. DVM told me to sell an aggressive dog, great I just want to get sued.

Vets are so busy kissing the ass of HSUS they've forgotten that some decisions are hard to make and you've got to consider that perhaps the owner of the animal MIGHT know what the fuck they're talking about.

We do things differently here, right or wrong it's different. I have seen the reaction of a dogs vitals when the Eutha-sol is administered, everything slows and stops, there is no pain there is no panic 9 times out of 10, I don't know how much pain there is involved in a gunshot, never been shot before. I would dread the thought of the dog turning his head at the wrong moment and not getting a clean one shot one kill. I have seen one dog fight the eutha-sol it was not pretty. white German Shepherd hit by a car, he didn't want to give up.


I'm done with this discussion.

[Fangtasia]

Yeah good, i'll just sit on my hand and keep my mouth shut in regards to furthering this shit.