Sick fucks

[Coach Knight]

I have just one thing to say:
Some people deserve a full-on ass kicking. Would anyone have any problem with any of these sick-fuck protestestors falling off a cliff?


Ogden soldier remembered
JENNIFER JACOBS and JARED STRONG
REGISTER STAFF WRITER

April 18, 2006

Ogden, Ia. – Daniel L. Sesker took the job of being lead gunner with his unit in Iraq because he "wanted to be upfront'' a friend told more than 1,000 family, friends, soldiers and neighbors gathered this morning at his funeral in the high school gymnasium.

Sesker, a 22-year-old Iowa Army National Guard sergeant, was killed about 30 miles northwest of Tikrit, Iraq, when a roadside bomb exploded near his truck earlier this month. He was the 36th Iowan to die in combat in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Two of Sesker's best friends, Sgt. David Bollenbaugh and Spc. Shane Sinn, who were serving with him in Iraq attended this morning's funeral. They told mourners that Sesker sought out the assignment of lead gunner because he thought of himself as a protector and guardian.

After the 90-minute service, family attended a private burial in nearby Boone. The procession was escorted by about 70 members of the Patriot Guard, an organization recently formed by veterans’ motorcycle groups and motorcycle enthusiasts to show respect for service members and offer protection for mourning families.

Prior to this morning's funeral, a group of nine demonstrators stood in plain view of arriving mourners 530-feet away, across the street from the high school. The three teenage women, four adult women, one adult male and one young boy left their spot on the windswept road without incident at 10:04, or four minutes after the scheduled beginning of Sesker's funeral.

Displaying placards that declared, "You're Going To Hell,'' "Fag Vets,'' and "Thank God for Dead Soldiers,'' the group was far enough away to be in compliance with legislation enacted Monday outlawing protests near funerals in Iowa.

Gov. Tom Vilsack, traveling in the Middle East, signed the bill into law Monday afternoon. It's the first time that he has enacted legislation while not in the country. The new law bans disorderly conduct, such as abusive language or disruptive behavior, within 500 feet of a funeral, memorial service, funeral procession or burial.

Ogden Police Chief Mick Bailey said he had planned to put the protesters on the spot 530-feet away from the high school even before Vilsack signed the law.

Protesters at this morning's funeral said they were members of Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan. Members began protesting at soldiers’ funerals in June, claiming that God is killing the soldiers because the United States and U.S. military condone homosexuality.Members of the Patriot Guard help provide a human barrier at funerals to protect mourners from hearing and seeing the protesters, if needed.

Keith Callaway of Glenwood, captain of the Iowa Patriot Guard, said they had asked permission of Sesker's family to attend today's funeral.

Callaway said even though the Patriot Guard offers to provide a human barrier to protesters, they do not seek confrontation.

"What I tell my people to do is turn their back to them so we don't even acknowledge their existence,'' Callaway said of the protesters. "Anyone that comes to a place like this with hate-filled messages doesn't even deserve to be recognized."

[lakritze]

This is why more people should be supporting such organizations as; Americans United for the Separation of Church and State headed by Barry Linn,who by the way is himelf an ordained minister and not the radical athiest that that self angrandising sociaopathic television evangelist Pat Robertson says he is. I say it is time to remove the tax exempt status that most churches enjoy if they insist on being used as political platforms for right wingnuts bent on making this country a theoracy. These nut cases with the placards standing asross the road from a funeral for an Iraqi war vet is just a symptem of a much larger problem.

[jseal]

lakritze,

I agree that people should avoid unnecessarily inserting their political agenda into inappropriate venues.

[gekkogecko]

jseal,
Unlike the implication in your reply, lakritze was *not* injecting his political agenda to an inappropriate forum. Whether or not you agree with his political agenda (which he made no efforts to state explicitly), Coach Knight in fact, asked about exactly that issue. To whit:

"would anyone have a problem with..." asks for a personal point of view.
"these sick-fuck protestors..." asks whether or not one agrees with CK's point of view.

Now, of course, it is difficult to puzzle out what exactly CK's point of view is, since, while he did state explicitly *what* he would like to do (in the abstract, and thus, protected speech, and not a personal threat) with the "sick-fuck" protesters, he didn't state *why*-that is, what is motivations are.

Would CK like to see them fall off a cliff because they insisted on harassing an essentially private ceremony?

Would he like to see them fall off a cliff because they stated their case in about as offensive a manner as they could come up with?

Would he like to see them fall off a cliff because their inherent message is offensive to him, personally?

Some combination of these motivations?

Hm...

[jseal]

gekkogecko,

Are you suggesting that I should disagree with lakritze?

[gekkogecko]

I"m not suggesting that you should either agree or disagree with lakritze.

I'm suggesting that Coach Knight should delve into this more deeply-I really would like to know where he's coming from on this particular issue.

[jseal]

I"m not suggesting that you should either agree or disagree with lakritze...
gekkogecko,

Then why take issue with my original post?

[Coach Knight]

Ask and you shall receive.

While I am personally disgusted by the idea of these assholes protesting a funeral of a dead serviceman, I am even more disgusted in the fact that, no matter how that person died, a family should have the right to mourn their dead family member in private.

How one feels about the war, I can not believe any American or anyone else would take pleasure in a military person's death and then try and extract more sick pleasure in rubbing the family's face in that death.
Losing a loved one, especially a child is probably the worst thing that can happen to a parent, and they should be allowed to greive privately.

When you are fucking with people's raw emotions such as shoving the face of a parent or loved one losing a child, bad, bad things will happen. These shitheads will push the wrong person at the wrong time, and I for one, won't feel the slightest bit of sorrow for what happens to the protesters.

[gekkogecko]

gekkogecko,

Then why take issue with my original post?

Because, agree or disagree, you implied that he shouldn't state his politcal position in this forum. Whereas, as I have pointed out, CK started this thread to ask exactly that kind of question. Of course, it is possible that since it was only an implication, and not an outright statement, that I mis-read the intent of your original reply to this thread.

Coach:
Thank you. I have to agree, you have a valid point. Whatever one's feelings about this war, war in general, or about the value of serving as a soldier in the US or any other military structure, there really are certain things which need to be private. And the death of a loved one nees to be kept exactly as private as the family/friends of the loved one wish it to be.

[Sharni]

People have the right to mourn in peace....for someone to protest a funeral is disgusting. 530 ft away is still too close in my opinion

Like CK said, nothing but bad will come from it and one day the idiots will pick the wrong grieving family to fuck with...and the result will be more funerals

[jseal]

gekkogecko,

I am placed in a difficult situation if I am taken to task when I agree with lakritze that people should avoid advancing their political points of view in inappropriate places or at inappropriate times. It would seem that we agree about that.

[wyndhy]

not sure what's more depressing: the people who pull crappy stunts like this or the fact that we actually need a law to prevent it.

do unto others....

[lizzardbits]

As a believer in "what comes around, goes around" I take comfort in knowing that one day these protesters will get an emotional stab to the heart 3x as bad as what they dished out.

Ogden Iowa is one of my stops to refuel when I travel to northern Iowa... Now when i stop, I'll always think of the family and hope that they are healing.

[jseal]

wyndhy,

Yes mam. It seems that fewer and fewer people respect what used to be the civilized norm of leaving other people alone. Another example of a group that has had to have legal force brought to bear upon their actions is anti-abortion protesters.

Perhaps it is only because it is more frequently reported these days, but it does seem that the common decency of self restraint is more often ignored than it used to be.

[nikki1979]

i did a google search on this church, wanting to know if they normally do this crap. it seems they do have a horrible habbit , google it , i dont wanna sit here and copy and paste, i wonder how they would feel in the other persons shoes. doesnt the Bible teach tolerance love and compassion (among many other things) i just dont understand how a church can condone acts of hatred..........

my heart goes out to the family of the lost soldier, may they have comfort in their time of need, and may their lost one find his place in heaven (or where ever you belive good people go) . thank you to all our soldiers !

~nikki

[Oldfart]

There seems to be confusion stemming from inappropriate venue vs inappropriate post.

Everyone, I think, said it is not a good thing to carry on this way at a funeral.

I suspect the law was enacted to stop an emotionally over-wrought friend or relative taking issue with the protest and finding out just how far a 4ft placard can be rectally inserted before the handle breaks.

More worryingly, who are these "Patriot Guard"?

Right wing governments with quasi-military support groups always worry the shit out of me.

[Steph]

530 ft away is still too close in my opinion

Agreed. ANYWHERE the grieving party can see protesters is the wrong place. Go picket a gay club or the White House. Anything but a funeral.

In another angle, I read in the NY Times about insensitive army guys arriving at homes and acting like idiots. The article isn't archived any longer (paid fee after a certain time) but the first few paras were disturbing.

A man had been told his son died in action & he went out to take his flag down & the yellow ribbons off the tree.

The army man turned back and said, "Don't be disrespectful."

!!!

There were a few more stories like that, too.

When my cousin died, the police officers who arrived at the door were very respectful & understand that, once they told the parents of the death of their only son, they should allow the grieving parents to act any way they wanted to . . .

[bare4you]

This is just another sad commentary on our society today. I say what needs to be done is we bundle up all the inconsiderate jerks like these folks, buy them a first class plane ticket with all the trimmings and ship their butts to Iraq or Afghanistan. Let them live over there and try to protest like they did here. I dare say after a few hours in and around the Green Zone or on the street where some of their brother "protestors" live, they would change their tune!

Remember folks - Freedom isn't free!!!!

[Jax]

Well. Personally I am not very happy about these protestors. They did the same gig in Minnesota. I find their behavior reprehensible and honestly, I'm not entirely sure I get their point or see the correlation in their actions. I do have some thoughts that I hope they get a taste of their own medicine here. This is really a low blow to the families.

However, the protestors do have rights however they choose to exert them. I just hope they reconsider their venue.

[Steph]

I'm not entirely sure I get their point or see the correlation in their actions.

Very, very good point.

[rabbit]

People have the right to mourn in peace....for someone to protest a funeral is disgusting. 530 ft away is still too close in my opinion

Like CK said, nothing but bad will come from it and one day the idiots will pick the wrong grieving family to fuck with...and the result will be more funerals


Amen sister!

[scotzoidman]

I first read about these assholes in the local paper some months ago, they were harrassing local military funerals (which we've had far too many of), it just set my blood to full boil...it's the product of one self-proclaimed man of the cloth, & mostly his relatives comprise the "congregation"...I believe their website is titled "godhatesfags" or some such bullshit, & it was the final straw for my belief in a just God, since He has chosen not to bring down a bolt from above to vaporize this large group of wasted DNA...I have always been a pacifist by nature (with a temper that I try hard to control), but I don't think I'll feel any sorrow at all when a grieving family member remembers his AK-47 in his trunk...

[lakritze]

This type of nonscence gets rather confusing at times. What exactly were these sickos protesting? It stated that a baptist church in Topica Kansas was "protesting a funeral on the belief that in their view God was killing soldiers because of allowing homosexuality here in the states and in the military. I guess they were refuring to the Don't ask-Don't tell programme.But their plackards read "Go to Hell Fag Vets." and "Thank God for dead soldiers." It makes me wonder if these fools even know which end to butter their toast. I went to a baptist church here in L.A. from about the time I was i 5th grad to I was 21.Nobody at that time would ever consider doing something like that,and most of this time was during the View Nam war. Religion has been hijacked in this country and abroad to display the most intollerent and obsessive political views. These are not driven by a spirit of faith but one of hatred that would make even Hitler blush. There is room for political dessent.There is also room for people of faith to march in protest.But I find that most of the religious so called leaders of today are just irresponsible rabble rousing trouble makers. If ever those plackards read "nigger or jew",there would even be more howls of protest. I guess I am longing for a time when we can get back to running this country on the good old secular values of the constitution and these idiots would just shut up and slime themselves back under the rock from which they came. Behind the scene these clowns want to "deliver America to God." If we don't watch out,they will snach it right out from under us. In some of these churches,people are being told how to vote and whom to vote for.It might be to much to ask for,but these "true believers" should crack open their bibles and read for themselves what Jesus really had to teach us.

[jseal]

lakritze,

If you want to really get the bible-thumpers going, get them to read Bart Ehrman's 'Misquoting Jesus (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5052156)'. Not, of course, that those misguided souls are likely to read it, as the facts are almost surely at odds with their faith, but the book is a guaranteed conversation starter.

Well worth the time it takes to read.

[Oldfart]

"Good evening, Mormans? No, Latter day Saints. Oh Mega-baptists. Hmmmmm.

Have you read the new Gospel of my master, Lord Satan?

No? As supported by the Red Book of Comrade Chairman Mao, third edition?

Well, we're having human sacrifice next Wodensday and we'd love to include you.

See you both then? Great."


If only.

[LixyChick]

If this is the same group I am thinking of, Howard Stern has had them on his show several times in order to "out" them for the idiots they are. They don't care what venue they use to spew their warped ideas of what they interpret from the parables of the Bible. Howard calls them the "God Hates Fags" group and I believe there is a web site that was established by the group that is call that exactly, though I WILL NEVER LOOK IT UP TO GIVE THEM A HIT. It is led by a woman who has her children, preteen and teen, "brainwashed" (<---my opinion) into believing that the wrath of God is responsible for all the ills and bad things that happen to everyone around the world. For example: She and her children have stated loud and clear on Howard's radio show that the reason for the tsunami recently was to clean the earth of the fags, pedophiles and debauchery in that country and that conditions of similar magnitude will continue to happen around the world as long as there are people who don't believe as they do or ignore their preaching of how they interpret the word of God. When questioned on how she interprets "thou shalt not judge lest ye be judged", she says that SHE is not judging them, God has judged them and has sent her to try and save them.

She seems to me to be one of the most radical bible thumpers ever. Her interpretations of the bible are extremely scary! Howard once asked her what would happen if someone took strong offense to her groups preachings and hurt or killed one of her children as a result and she said, "I don't think God would let that happen, but if it did it would serve as an even greater reason for us to go on with our work of trying to make others aware of their wrong doings against God's will". She'd martyrize her children!

Howard once asked her what she would do if she found out her son had dabbled in the gay lifestyle or came out to her as a gay teen and she told him that would never happen! Wouldn't it serve her right if it did? LMFAO!

Yes CK...I wouldn't mind watching her group fall off a cliff! But it'd have to be everyone around the world who spouts the beliefs she is trying to spread...and I imagine there are many. What would truly be a better recourse is in the "What goes around, comes around" theory. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when her eldest son brought home his new beau...Brian...and begged her to understand...ROFLMFAO!