New Picture Posting Q & A

[Lilith]

This is an area where I hope to be able to adddress your questions and concerns regarding the new policy enacted to comply with recent U.S.law.

[Winston77]

So what does the law say????

[Lilith]

Exactly what is in the new forum guidelines. The wording was copied from the law.

I have very biased views about this new law and I'm trying to find answers without subjecting you to my personal beliefs so if I'm curt, it's me trying not to :rant:

[IAKaraokeGirl]

Lil, from the little bit of research I've done since reading the post(s), I guess what most members (at least, in my opinion) are concerned about is a) what does it mean for past posts here, and b) what about the future of picture posts? From what I read in the forum guidelines, it appears that a good deal of the pictures already here at Pixies are no longer allowed. (Unless I'm totally reading things wrong, and it's entirely possible.)

<---is looking for answers as well.

[Lilith]

Yes you are correct that as of now pics (this includes avatars as well) can only be posted that meet the US legal guidelines (which fucking sucks a big one) OOPS! If you read the guidelines carefully you will see that we must remediate problems with any REPORTED posts. I am seeking information as to how old pic posts should be handled to protect both the site and our owners. As for now, I'm not doing anything until I have a clear understanding of what the owners need me to do.

Keeping in mind that the pics are a minor portion of a text based erotica forum, I feel there are still plenty of opportunities for us to share ourselves with eachother in an intimate albeit digital way.

[IAKaraokeGirl]

For those interested, these are the code sections, as reported by Cornell University

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002256----000-.html

and

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002257----000-.html

[rukh75]

Oh sure I just find my way back to posting and I see this:

"- Legally, we can allow soft nudity, but under current United States law, photographs (does not apply to non-photographic images) posted on this site may not contain "sexually explicit conduct", which the government defines as:

- Actual or simulated:
(A) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;
(B) bestiality;
(C) masturbation;
(D) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(E) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person."

Well breaking 3 out of 5 ain't a bad personal accomplishment, with plans on hitting that (A) category soon, as close to bestiality as I get is doing it doggy style. :hump:

Well I'll just keep providing the pics, if I break the law you can handcuff me, spank me, and post pictures of THAT. muahahaha

-Rukh75

[Lilith]

Any new post that break the forum guidelines are subject to deletion.

[Lilith]

This topic is going to need a thread to rant about it,I think..OK to go to war and get maimed,or die..But don't be lookin at those nekked pics..WTF
I'm a decorated vet myself,so I don't feel like i'm being unpatriotic..I feel I can support our troops,and still think that Washington is full of assholes..I don't post pics either,because I'm well past my prime,lol,but hey,to say what others can or can't do,is pure bullshit..Sorry for the rant..
I assure you I have a similar rant playing at warp speed in my head!

[dicksbro]

If I understood correctly ...

no penises
no vaginas
no real or simlulated sex

okay rear ends
okay side views that don't show genitals
okay breasts/chests
okay artwork (not photos) that we have the right to publish (even if it violates the "no's" above

Does that sound like a fairly close summary???

[PantyFanatic]

Does anybody know the schedule for when this government will start the book burning and ‘relocation programs’?




(no appropriate smilies available for puking nausea, total disgust, total shame or genuine fear for a populous.)

[Lilith]

LOL...ummmmmm until the first legal challenges we won't know the definitions for sure :p but follow the guidelines as written. My understanding is genitals as part of nudity ok but not in close up masturbatory or "sexually explicit". I read a post in a webmaster forum that said, "don't touch nothin' " :D

[dicksbro]

LOL. Thanks, Lil!

PF ... What if they promise to relocate you to a panty factory?? :D

[Lilith]

DB I think you naked in the park is still legal so long as you are only frolicking with the flowers.

[wyndhy]

it's only illegal if there are no records kept? did i read that right? (ty for that link IAKG)so obviously on a site(s) that guarantees/allows/understands peoples’ need for anonymity, this is this sticking point? this is why it’s no longer possible to post pictures containing the specified no-no’s?

[WildIrish]

Well...this is gonna take some creativity, huh?

[Lilith]

You've hit on part of the issue. Which civil liberty would you like to have violated today? expression or privacy?

[wyndhy]

both please :p

oh god.....spank me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lilith]

Well...this is gonna take some creativity, huh?
Don't you worry your pretty little head...I've got plenty of ideas of how we can still tease and dare I say titilate eachother.:boobs:

[Lilith]

both please :p

oh god.....spank me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you insist :spank:

[wyndhy]

thank you ma'am...may i have another??? :D

btw...what is the other part of the issue to which you refer?

[Lilith]

record keeping is only a small component of a greater law which has been continually revamped and revised to what we have in effect now.

[wyndhy]

alright...but how does/do those other components affect the posting of pics? (except for the already illegal stuff [minors, animals, rape corpses, etc])
i'm not baiting you (((hugs))) i know this is shitty and stressful....i am just curious

[rockintime]

Oh, keee-rap...am I gonna have to remove ALL my picture posts here? :D

[dicksbro]

I've got plenty of ideas of how we can still tease and dare I say titilate each other.:boobs:

Shucks ... you've always done that, Lil!

[Lilith]

I know! I don't feel baited at all. The problem is I am not a lawyer and I'm not real sure all the details that are involved despite having read just about everything on it I could find. The laws were originally constructed as a protection for minors but recently(this administration) were changed which affect a much larger segment and change the burden of proof through a specific record keeping requirement. I have personal views as to what these revisions were designed to do but I am truly trying to spare you all of my biased political views.

[WildIrish]

Don't you worry your pretty little head...I've got plenty of ideas of how we can still tease and dare I say titilate eachother.:boobs:


Is my pretty little head lacivious? If not...I'm in the clear! :D

And I'm pretty sure that if I ate your titils it's against the rules. Well, posting pictures of it is. :hot:

I'm sorry you're the one left behind to have to hold our hands through the murky haze that comprises the new legislation, but with patience, understanding and respect...I'm sure we can make it work. And those are ultimately the three things that distinguishes Pixies from other sites.

[wyndhy]

are you saying that bush is a prude?????? :D














ok now THAT was baiting

[Lilith]

are you saying that bush is a prude?????? :D














ok now THAT was baiting
Holy fuck!!!!I may have to log off to avoid commenting.....I might have to unplug the puter and put it in the garage to keep from commenting :p

[wyndhy]

:eek: alright then....e-mail me...:blink:

[Winston77]

Time to start writing and I don't mean eroyic stories.
This is still America and I will say it
This administration SUCKS

[jseal]

Lilith,

What parts of 18 U.S.C. § 2257 are at issue?

As Pixies doesn’t produce the images in question it isn’t a Primary producer. Sec. 75.1 Definitions, C, (1)

I presume that the concern is about (2), in particular the part I’ve underlined: “A secondary producer is any person who produces, assembles, manufactures, publishes, duplicates, reproduces, or reissues a book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, digitally- or computer- manipulated image, picture, or other matter intended for commercial distribution that contains a visual depiction of an actual human being engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct, or who inserts on a computer site or service a digital image of, or otherwise manages the sexually explicit content of a computer site or service that contains a visual depiction of an actual human being engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct, including any person who enters into a contract, agreement, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing.”

Even so, Pixies is not a producer per (4) (ii)

“Producer does not include persons whose activities relating to the visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct are limited to the following:
…
(ii) Mere distribution;”

Pixies, while a commercial site, gets no revenue from the availability of the pictures at the site.

Perhaps I am looking at the statute incorrectly, or perhaps I am looking at the wrong parts of the statute, but I see no requirement for Pixies to maintain the records commercial pornographers must. It is the criminal penalties associated with inadequate or insufficient record keeping which is at issue here, is it not?

[Lilith]

Thanks JSeal...I've read that law (there are 3 dif versions/incarnations) and the ones that correspond about 8945743957239857 times now.:spin: The site is doing what is necessary to meet the guidelines imposed. I'm sure most webmasters who are concerned have sought out legal counsel to make sure they meet US federal guidelines.

[jseal]

Lilith,

I thank you for the thanks, but what I was trying to do was to find out was what it is about the recent changes to the law that have brought about the change in policy here at Pixies.

[Lilith]

That's not a question I can answer. I don't have a background in federal law. The changes being made here are being made at most US based sites that include images of any kind. Yes we are primarily an erotica site but since primary producers are permitted to post their works here there must be reason to believe that federal rules could impact us or else soooo many sites would not have come to the same legal conclusions. I would suggest a PM to the owners if you feel you have some wisdom that thousands of webmasters and their legal services have overlooked.

[jseal]

Lilith,

I was under the impression that this was a Q & A thread. I asked some questions, I made no suggestions. Please accept my apologies for having posted my questions.

[Lilith]

Your question was not the problem, I did not see it in the original post I read...

It is the criminal penalties associated with inadequate or insufficient record keeping which is at issue here, is it not?

2257 which is a minute part of a much bigger law does have a record keeping component but I have no idea if that is the issue. I am in no way competent or qualified to comment on matters of law. My knowledge begins at how the new pic guidelines (as deemed necessary) will be handled by myself and the moderators.

If you have questions, beyond my scope, as to the law or why the policy is now in place please forward them to the owners.

[cowgirltease]

Well........I read it, don't understand it so.....I'm just gonna keep posting like I have been until you or the owners tell me I can't. You guys know what pics I post. Good luck figuring it out.

[Lilith]

You are welcome to post CGT, you know we love it, but the pics should fall within the new guidelines.

[Lilith]

If you have questions if a pic meets the guidelines I'm sure any of the 3 of us who volunteer in that area would be glad to help.

[cowgirltease]

So are you saying cover up my tits and don't touch myself?

[Lilith]

LOL.... no and yes....

The guidelines say soft nudity ok but masturbation or simulated masturbation is not permissible.

[cowgirltease]

Can I still show my pussy? :D

[Lilith]

laschivious spelling wtf??? seems to be being defined as to mean no close ups of genitalia.

Your gorgeous poses like in your av and in your sexy lingerie will still make the boys, and lots of the girls too, go crazy!!!

[cowgirltease]

Okayyyyyyyyy .....Goodbye couples pics *sniff*

[rabbit]

Okayyyyyyyyy .....Goodbye couples pics *sniff*


NO!!!!


:faint:

[Winston77]

So are you saying cover up my tits and don't touch myself?
Softcore CGT OH NO

[cowgirltease]

I know........:( Why do they have to spoil our fun?

[Coaster]

Because they are jealous of you CGT!!! :D

[Coaster]

Thanks Lil for informing us. Try not to stress too much..... let's just see where the chips fall first.

Besides, we don't want you taking your frustrations out on Mr Lil! :D

[cowgirltease]

I doubt that!

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!
I just had a brainstorm, brainfart whatever........Can we use pixiesorphans as an outlet for explicit pics you think? :D

[Lilith]

I doubt that!

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!
I just had a brainstorm, brainfart whatever........Can we use pixiesorphans as an outlet for explicit pics you think? :D
I thought about that or I may just begin my threads here and then be willing to email zip files with the excluded portions ;)

[cowgirltease]

YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :line:

[imaginewithme]

so, are the pictures going to be deleted?

[Lilith]

All I know right now is that REPORTED posts must be taken care of.

[Callie691]

And who here is going to "report" a pic or post. come on we are all adults here. we are very open-minded. On another note, the laws are getting absolutely ridiculous!!! i can see where they are trying to protect some but come on... infringing on our freedom of choice, and many other freedoms, give us some leeway. this site probably wouldnt have survived if this new law was in effect when it first started. (that last comment was sarcastic, not an opinion.)

just my 2 cents. sorry if it seems ANGRY, but i am. but not towards anyone here. :)

Callie

[BIBI]

What a bunch of crap!

Maybe that nutty guy I chatted to a few years ago on ICQ really did have the internet police at his door!

[Doxis]

I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling that they have no right to screw over what we're doing , I think it's ridiculous myself, soft core only O.o I mean come on we're grown adults here and we are being spoonfed crap like little kids

I'm not blaming you lil I know this goes higher than you but it's still not right

nex tthing ya know they are gonna outlaw foreplay, because some random kids might happen to wander into your house and walk into your bedroom

O.o this is Incubus255 by the way I have no idea why it logged me in under this one

[musicman]

So, have these laws actually been passed? Or do we have to follow them regardless until they have been passed?


As for ideas, could we start like a yahoo group or something where we would need to register to partake? And if so, if the group is registered in another country, say Canada, could we post then?

[wyndhy]

<~~~has been thinking...i believe i have only one picture that violates any of these rules ...i was just getting started :(

[Winston77]

Just send them directly to me :grin:

[Lilith]

So, have these laws actually been passed? Or do we have to follow them regardless until they have been passed?


As for ideas, could we start like a yahoo group or something where we would need to register to partake? And if so, if the group is registered in another country, say Canada, could we post then?

The federal law is effective as of 6/23. There is alread a yahoo group PixiesOrphans.

[rukh75]

Now by no means am I a lawyer, but I have a fairly logical and analytical mind...so I decided to pour over some of the links to try and figure out proper wording and wiggle room with intent.

As for record keeping the main part of the law is under US Code: Title 18,2275:

(a) Whoever produces any book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, or other matter which—
(1) contains one or more visual depictions made after November 1, 1990 of actual sexually explicit conduct; and
(2) is produced in whole or in part with materials which have been mailed or shipped in interstate or foreign commerce, or is shipped or transported or is intended for shipment or transportation in interstate or foreign commerce;
shall create and maintain individually identifiable records pertaining to every performer portrayed in such a visual depiction.

now the key to this statement is in my mind that both sections a(1) and a(2) must be true due to the AND between them for it to be required for you to keep records. Seeing as Pixies does not intend for any of it's content to be used in any form of commerce; interstate, forgein or otherwise it would not fall under the requirements. All other subsections in the record keepings requirement section REQUIRE section (A) to be true to apply. So as I read the law, in my amateur opinion mind you, would not require pixies to maintain record keeping.

I'll get to work on the other section next. :cheers:

-Rukh75

[Booger]

Now by no means am I a lawyer, but I have a fairly logical and analytical mind...so I decided to pour over some of the links to try and figure out proper wording and wiggle room with intent.

-Rukh75

one problem this is the law we are talking about you can throw logic out the window

[rukh75]

Ok so I've briefly looked over our other outrage...the jeered US Code:Title 18,2256. This by my understanding is nothing more than a Definitions section as it applies to the terms under Chapter 110 - SEXUAL EXPLOITATION AND OTHER ABUSE OF CHILDREN. Section 2256 reads as follows for those not familiar:

2256. Definitions for chapter

Release date: 2004-08-06

For the purposes of this chapter, the term—
(1) “minor” means any person under the age of eighteen years;
(2) “sexually explicit conduct” means actual or simulated—
(A) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;
(B) bestiality;
(C) masturbation;
(D) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(E) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;
(3) “producing” means producing, directing, manufacturing, issuing, publishing, or advertising;
(4) “organization” means a person other than an individual;
(5) “visual depiction” includes undeveloped film and videotape, and data stored on computer disk or by electronic means which is capable of conversion into a visual image;
(6) “computer” has the meaning given that term in section 1030 of this title;
(7) “custody or control” includes temporary supervision over or responsibility for a minor whether legally or illegally obtained;
(8) “child pornography” means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where—
(A) the production of such visual depiction involves the use of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(B) such visual depiction is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct;
(C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or
(D) such visual depiction is advertised, promoted, presented, described, or distributed in such a manner that conveys the impression that the material is or contains a visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(9) “identifiable minor”—
(A) means a person—
(i)
(I) who was a minor at the time the visual depiction was created, adapted, or modified; or
(II) whose image as a minor was used in creating, adapting, or modifying the visual depiction; and
(ii) who is recognizable as an actual person by the person’s face, likeness, or other distinguishing characteristic, such as a unique birthmark or other recognizable feature; and
(B) shall not be construed to require proof of the actual identity of the identifiable minor.


To me, once again NOT a lawyer, this is nothing more than a definitions page clarifing stances in Chapter 110 of US Code Title 18. This section defines and deals with sexual crimes against children. Now seeing as I addressed the records keeping requirement earlier, and that in no case does pixies contain contents of minors or intend to market its current or future content for commerce that none of the other sections that this definitions section would apply or effect us on the whole. I'll keep digging, but i hope this is making sense :cheers:

-Rukh75

[sodaklostsoul]

Oh, keee-rap...am I gonna have to remove ALL my picture posts here? :D
:whack:

[Lilith]

Regardless of what you decipher the law to mean or as to the why's. The owners have set a policy and it will be enforced. I've watched these proceedings of people hashing it all out at several other sites experiencing this same new struggle. Ultimately it's the owner's necks in the noose and their policy will be followed in order to keep us safe and operating.

[rukh75]

I understand what the policy is Lil and it's their choice and I'll respect it, as much as I kid and joke about not doing so. But seeing as this was a place to post questions and answers I thought that I would actually take a look at the laws, definitions and statments of this section. I understand erring on the side of lawful is always better especially when it's one's own ass on the line. I was just trying to point out in a logical fashion how and why pixies, even now, should still be withing the constructs of the current law. By no means was I protesting the change or policy...just tryin to shed a little light on an otherwise murky stick in the mud (except for the protecting children part :p) kinda law

-Rukh

[gekkogecko]

Does anybody know the schedule for when this government will start the book burning and ‘relocation programs’?



1984

[Lilith]

I understand. I really do but I find it somewhat strange that those of you who feel compelled to comb through the law must be assuming that has not already been done by many top lawyers who specialize in this field and those of civil liberties. Do you think webmasters are taking this step willingly, carelessly? No. I would think that they only are acting because they feel all avenues have been explored. Knowing what little I know, and having read a myriad of articles on the topic, I believe lakritze posted about this issue here some time ago even, that there is something about this particular law that has caused website owners to feel the need to protect themselves and their members. I certainly have no legal background so my answers can only be on how things will be handled when REPORTED and what content may be permissible.

[Fangtasia]

Oh well....the pics are but a small part of this site

I'm sure we'll still carry on regardless....just need time to adjust is all

[rukh75]

I guess I also go off the topic of the section, of answering questions about the new policy. Sorry I brought up my take on the laws here at all. Didn't want to cause any extra stress, I understand why and under what kind of pressure webmasters all across the net have had to handle the change in law...and yes I agree I'm no lawyer and they gotta know something I don't otherwise I'd be making the big $$$ too :) By looking over the law I guess I was trying to give myself a better understanding, this just wasn't the appropriate place to post my "findings" I'll take my law rant and go try and take some NEW pictures hehe. Sorry to stress ya Lil, guess I just got a bit on the excited side...

:hippy:

[Lilith]

Understandable! Really! I have quite a few pics here myself and am facing all the same issues you guys are.

[Fangtasia]

Well i (under sharni) have 400+ *LOL*....so i definately am definately facing this too

But its no biggie...we'll just share otherways ;)

[cowgirltease]

I ummmmmm have over 1400 pics here. Can you at least lets us know in advance if they are going to have to delete the explicit ones so we can get what we want saved?

[Fangtasia]

I would advise you to start now CGT....because when and if we have to get rid of them...they will just be gone hun

[FussyPucker]

Of course this wonderfull new law can only apply to websites hosted in "the land of the free". I wonder how much it would effect the economy/jobs when all the sites like this start moving to countries that are willing to allow this harmless content???

[Mercury_Maniac]

well this would explain why Yahoo chat rooms have gone away. :(

[Fangtasia]

No they havent i just looked MM

[Mercury_Maniac]

well the regular rooms are still there.



but all the User rooms are gone.

[Fangtasia]

Yep....but at least ya got something

[Lilith]

Yes groups like Yahoo are making sweeping changes as well.

[WildIrish]

Well i (under sharni) have 400+ *LOL*....so i definately am definately facing this too




Yeah, well I wish them good luck trying to find sharni! :D

[Loulabelle]

well the regular rooms are still there.

but all the User rooms are gone.
The reason for the Yahoo chatroom closure take a look here
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/22/yahoo_shuts_chatrooms/
Makes sense to me!
(FussyPucker - I couldn't be bothered to log lou off and log me in :) )

[FallenAngel5]

:rant: Not Q or A... but what the fucking crap is this? I'm surprised the brilliant Bush administration didn't try to tack this onto the "Patriot" Act... given that all terrorists are known to partake in sex. It looks like my age-old wisdom of 'change the fucking channel' is going to have to be changed to 'close the freaking browser window.' Because apparently the government has nothing better to do that stick their noses in our bedrooms. :rant: :hair:

[cherrypie7788]

It's just the beginning....

[Sugarsprinkles]

I'm really sorry you have to deal with this, Lilith. I'm so sick of the government trying to protect us from ourselves and using the premise of "homeland security" to do it. I hope those who supported this regime last November remember this next election season when ultra right-wing conservatives try to engineer another victory. GW= :ahole: (See new av)

Sorry.........didn't mean to :rant:

Yes, Yahoo is cracking down. I belong to some groups who share adult themed stationery and tags to use with Incredimail, and Yahoo is double checking the ages listed on members profiles and threatening to close groups who have members under 18 or members without ages listed. I don't know about the chat room situation as I haven't gone to a Yahoo chatroom in years.

[Lilith]

Yeah...it's not a coincidence that Yahoo made the wide variety of changes it made on the date this law goes into affect.

[lizzardbits]

How difficult would it be to change to a different host country, such as the UK?

Mayhem and I are extremely bummed about this as we wanted to post A LOT more in the couples pix section.


......thanks verra much mr. BUSHIT.......

[Fangtasia]

Yahoo has been funny about adult groups for ages...years actually.....this is not a new thing there

They do not list them (again...for years)....and unless they recieve complaints about them they just ignore their existance

[Lilith]

<~~~~~~~ had all her stuff web site etc on Yahoo closed down by them a while back :o

[Sugarsprinkles]

I know as a rule they don't bother the adult groups, but we, at least those of us in the Incredimail sharing groups, are being notified of a new crackdown. I own one adult group of my own and have not had any notification from Yahoo. So, who's to say if they really are or not. I know a lot of the time these panic alerts go out and make the rounds and turn out to be nothing but smoke. But better safe than sorry, so we're all making sure we have an over 18 age listed on our profiles.

[Lilith]

It will be very interesting to see how it all pans out.

[Dubblz]

I was talking to a friend of mine,and his brother was elected to congress recently,to repesent this district..He said the right wing is out to do as much as it can,while it still can..The thing is..Bush can't run again,but,a lot of other people still can,and they want to get re-elected..Voting is more important than ever..I've emailed every representive I can and voiced my displeasure with this law.People need to get registered,and vote..Bush's own party will turn against him,if we let them know they'll get voted out.Doesn't seem like just that will do anything,but at this particular time of the year,these idiots tend to listen to what people want..True,we're stuck with this for a while,but it can get worse if people just take it,and don't say anything about it..
Here,in Western NY,we just had our County Exec.spend millions of dollars on his friends and family,giving them all jobs..Governor was going to do nothing because they were both Republicans..Gov got flooded with mail,email,and phone calls..This week he installed a control board to oversee the asshole.See,the Gov,is up for re-election..Slam these people with email with return reciept requested,they will listen,at some point..

[PalaceGuard]

jseal - you weren't paying attention. :) This wasn't a Q A thread - it was a Political/Rant thread! Your analytical and rational posts were out of place - just count the number of questions and answers and the number of "lets' slam the government" posts.

[Lilith]

jseal - you weren't paying attention. :) This wasn't a Q A thread - it was a Political/Rant thread! Your analytical and rational posts were out of place - just count the number of questions and answers and the number of "lets' slam the government" posts.
Palace Guard...this thread was started with the intent of giving me a place to answer member's questions as to how the new site policy will be carried out and what is permissible under our current guidelines. Did you have a question or did you just feel the need to "slam" someone yourself?

[cowgirltease]

:D

[fredchabotnick]

And who here is going to "report" a pic or post. come on we are all adults here. we are very open-minded. On another note, the laws are getting absolutely ridiculous!!! i can see where they are trying to protect some but come on... infringing on our freedom of choice, and many other freedoms, give us some leeway. this site probably wouldnt have survived if this new law was in effect when it first started. (that last comment was sarcastic, not an opinion.)

just my 2 cents. sorry if it seems ANGRY, but i am. but not towards anyone here. :)

Callie

The thing that scares me is this part. Think about it, by the very way that this law is set up, the government is trying to "protect" us by getting into all aspects of our life. So I wouldn't be surprised if somebody comes in here with the purpose of finding pictures that violate the guidelines to fine or shut the site down. At this point, both the owners and Lilith (and the other mods) need to play this safe. Good luck, this is not an easy road that we'll be traveling.

I do have a question, do they have a definition of "soft nudity"? Either in the statutes themselves or an accepted one from the legal point of view?

Thanks

[Lilith]

not that I've read in any of the statutes...for here it means nudity that does not include explicit sex, masturbation or extreme genital closeups.

[Fangtasia]

<~~~~~~~ had all her stuff web site etc on Yahoo closed down by them a while back :o
But wasnt that because a disgruntled member got all pissy and reported you to yahoo??

[lizzardbits]

Lil--Would the owners be willing to move the site to another host country? Thus by-passing the US laws and protecting themselves for prosecution. and thus allowing those of us who want to post pics of us playing with our partner or ourselves in a more explicit manner may do so.

such as pixies-place.co.uk??? or another country that is more lienient with their adult citizens?

[Lost]

WOW and DAMN!!!

I'm sorry to hear about this and my feelings go out to all you Mods that have to deal with the headache of this.

*trying very hard to go off on a rant myself*
so I guess my brain is in a spin and i dont know what else to say, lol

*big hugs to all the Mods*

[Lilith]

But wasnt that because a disgruntled member got all pissy and reported you to yahoo??
I think so...they don't tell you they just pull the plug :D

[Lilith]

Lil--Would the owners be willing to move the site to another host country? Thus by-passing the US laws and protecting themselves for prosecution. and thus allowing those of us who want to post pics of us playing with our partner or ourselves in a more explicit manner may do so.

such as pixies-place.co.uk??? or another country that is more lienient with their adult citizens?
Pixies used to be located in the UK and had a very similar address. I have no idea idea about relocation. I would not be surprised at all to see a business pop up that caters to US webmasters in this situation.

[jseal]

PalaceGuard,

Looking back at the thread, I can see your point. :o Still, at the time, with a thread heading of “New Picture Posting Q & A”, it seemed like a reasonable thing to do. I didn’t realize that I was causing a problem by doing so.

I’ll have to be more sensitive/selective in the future.

[Mercury_Maniac]

so is all the picture uploading on hold as of now or do we already have to be careful of whats posted?


Do we know roughly when the old pics are gonna be deleted?

[Lilith]

At this point, reported posts will be dealt with. Please make sure that anything you post from here on out fall within the pic posting guidelines.

[Winston77]

I will comply :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

[adam1297]

Does Pixies (or the owners) happen to be a member of the Free Speech Coalition? See below:

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=49359

[Lilith]

I read that too. I'm not privy to that information but my best guess would be that they may be. I couldn't speak to that really.

[Booger]

PalaceGuard,

Looking back at the thread, I can see your point. :o Still, at the time, with a thread heading of “New Picture Posting Q & A”, it seemed like a reasonable thing to do. I didn’t realize that I was causing a problem by doing so.

I’ll have to be more sensitive/selective in the future.

if you notice this was a thread for Q & A for pixies new posting rules not about the law that has caused it

[jseal]

if you notice this was a thread for Q & A for pixies new posting rules not about the law that has caused it

Booger,

No sir, that is incorrect. The thread title reads, “New Picture Posting Q & A” and the following is the first post to the thread:
This is an area where I hope to be able to adddress your questions and concerns regarding the new policy enacted to comply with recent U.S.law.

The second post to the thread was explicitly about the law:
So what does the law say????

I posted a couple of questions I had about the new policy. Those questions were well within the scope of the thread title and the limits expressed by Lilith in the initial post.

Lilith, while neither providing an answer to either question, nor offering to find out, acknowledged that the question was not out of line.
Your question was not the problem, I did not see it in the original post I read...

[Lilith]

You know, I realize that some people like to argue just for the sake of arguing but it's counterproductive in regards to this topic. My reason for this thread was to give the members who produce and display images at this site a place to ask questions as to how the new policy will be carried out and what is permissible.

jseal...if you have questions for the owners PM them. I don't own the site, I run it, and damn well! If you have a complaint about the job I do here then PM them as to that as well. I don't need to "find out" anything for you, if you have questions address them to the appropriate source, I made it clear to you in several posts that I am not that source.

[jseal]

Lilith,

You are, I am sure, aware that I have posted pictures of me at Pixies. The rumors that I used a wide angle lens are untrue. You invited questions about the new site policy, so I asked. When you stated “That's not a question I can answer”, I did not ask the questions again. I have never complained about the job you have done, and I have praised your efforts, and those of the other site moderators.

[lazaruslong]

if you have questions for the owners PM them.

OK, just curious. If I had a question for the owners and I wanted to PM them, just who would I be PMing?

[Lilith]

PixiesPlace (http://216.150.92.84/forums/member.php?u=18635)

[AZRedHot]

Well, I have to say, I'm just as irate as everyone else. Not so much about my pictures, but at the continual shredding of the Bill of Rights by the George of Wrong and his ilk. But that's who we all need to focus our attention on. It does us no good to bicker among ourselves. We are family here, all equally affected, and no doubt all outraged. Let's not shoot the messenger. Lil started this thread so we could be informed, and know what she has to do. We all have to do what our bosses say. Start writing your reps. I live in a largely elephantine state, so I write, and they usually write back a polite "tough noogies," but if we let this keep happening, it's like boiling a frog. Pretty soon it'll be too late, and we won't know what happened.'

[Booger]

Booger,

No sir, that is incorrect. The thread title reads, “New Picture Posting Q & A” and the following is the first post to the thread:


The second post to the thread was explicitly about the law:


I posted a couple of questions I had about the new policy. Those questions were well within the scope of the thread title and the limits expressed by Lilith in the initial post.

Lilith, while neither providing an answer to either question, nor offering to find out, acknowledged that the question was not out of line.

If you will notice the line you had quoted above from lilith states.

This is an area where I hope to be able to adddress your questions and concerns regarding the new policy enacted to comply with recent U.S.law.

I you notice it say regarding the new policy enacted to comply with recent U.S.law. If you notice it say to comply with the law. It dose not say and the law. The second post was some one asking what the law was not a question about the law itself. This is your first question in this thread if you will note it is about the new law not the new policy.




Lilith,

What parts of 18 U.S.C. § 2257 are at issue?

As Pixies doesn’t produce the images in question it isn’t a Primary producer. Sec. 75.1 Definitions, C, (1)

I presume that the concern is about (2), in particular the part I’ve underlined: “A secondary producer is any person who produces, assembles, manufactures, publishes, duplicates, reproduces, or reissues a book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, digitally- or computer- manipulated image, picture, or other matter intended for commercial distribution that contains a visual depiction of an actual human being engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct, or who inserts on a computer site or service a digital image of, or otherwise manages the sexually explicit content of a computer site or service that contains a visual depiction of an actual human being engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct, including any person who enters into a contract, agreement, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing.”

Even so, Pixies is not a producer per (4) (ii)

“Producer does not include persons whose activities relating to the visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct are limited to the following:
…
(ii) Mere distribution;”

Pixies, while a commercial site, gets no revenue from the availability of the pictures at the site.

Perhaps I am looking at the statute incorrectly, or perhaps I am looking at the wrong parts of the statute, but I see no requirement for Pixies to maintain the records commercial pornographers must. It is the criminal penalties associated with inadequate or insufficient record keeping which is at issue here, is it not?

[Crichton]

Lilith,

Thanks for starting the thread and keeping us informed.

It would be nice if we could all focus on making efforts to change the law rather than over-analyzing or finding holes and gaps in it.

A number of people have already made the point that is most essential in this whole debate, regardless of the letter of the law, the law is intended to restrict free expression of human sexuality. No loophole or trick of wording will prevent this administration from prosecuting and restricting access to websites it deems to be in violation of this law.

For those who want to take me or others to task for criticizing the current or any government, I remind you that it is my duty and right as a citizen. If the administration can't take the heat, they should get out of the White House.

[jseal]

Booger,

When Lilith solicited questions about Pixies’ new policy enacted to comply with recent U.S. law, then fielded posts about the law from Winston77, rukh75, Dubblz, wyndhy without problem, while accepting the political posts and rants without comment – all of which occurred before my initial post, well, I’d say that the scope of the thread was quite wide. It would seem that you take a rather more narrow reading.

Unto each his own. Respectfully, I disagree with you.

[!rebeccakohl!]

Sorry if I sound a wee bit angry or ranty in the following, but I'm feeling a wee bit angry and ranty...

So, that born-again bullshitter, Bush, and his neo-con storm-troopers are going after Pixies, now? That should keep his sugar daddies on the Religious Right happy for a bit: "Well, darn it, Bubba Senior - George Dubya sure as heck is brave in tackling all these evil pornographers and filth-merchants head on like this. If you ask me, freedom of speech and burden of proof are over rated. Let's send him a couple more million dollars and see what else he can kick up for us!"

I know the rights of folks in the hardcore porn industry are never going to be big vote winners in the American elections but if you look into how the Republicans have been adapting the laws and constitution to suit themselves in going after people working in the porn industry over the past couple of decades (first under that senile old b-movie cowboy, Ronald McReagan, then his crumbly successor GB Senior) you'll get a hint of what's on the horizon for everyday American folks throughout the remainder of this term (and its follow-up if you let it happen). Eg - look into how "Miranda Laws" (which were designed to tackle Mafia style crime organizations) have been used to snatch property from porn directors and producers without trial: guilty until proven innocent!

The new documentation required for websites to remain legal has been required by porn video producers since (I think) 1995. I don't know if it's exactly the same, but for porn videos the producer or director must have copies of two legal forms of photo-ID for each performer (passport, driver's licence etc) and a model release form, as proof that the performer was over 18 at the time of production. I guess this seems a fair enough way of preventing underagers like Traci Lords from getting into the industry, but it's interesting that the burden of proof lies with the producer rather than law enforcement. Also, the documentation requires the performer's REAL name and address, as well as stage name, which kind of throws anonymity and personal safety of the performers out the window. You'll notice that at the start of every porn movie there is a legal statement showing who holds this documentation and where it is held (real names, no PO boxes allowed).

I'm pretty sure that this is pretty much what the new legislation will require from Website Owners. Here's an example of the documentation one of the content providers I use has recently put up on all its sites in order to comply: http://www.siccash.com/2257.html

That's fair enough for an actual porn site , exhibiting pics or vids owned or licensed by the web-owners, but how can a message board like Pixies possibly comply? How many posters here would be willing to send Pixies two forms of photo-ID and a model release form (all featuring real names and addresses) for each explicit pic posted? How else are the owners going to prove you were over 18 at the time the pic was taken?

By the way, I noticed earlier that someone was querying whether Pixies does class as a producer when there's no money involved. Well, I'm afraid it does. Pixies is the publisher of your photographs and therefore a secondary producer. You (or your hubby / wife) are the primary producer.

From what I've read elsewhere it looks like the Feds could go after the primary and secondary producer of any internet based erotic imagery which doesn't have a fully documented 18 USC Statement like the one linked to above, plus all the approriate documentation in the correct order and without any typos. I read somewhere that there's talk of possible five year prison sentences for those who don't comply.

I imagine the Bush-Whackers are going to concentrate most of their energy on going after the dodgier end of internet porn - the publicity there will be in their favour - rather than a site like Pixies. Hopefully they're thinking there'd be too much potential bad press in going after free speech forums like this, but, on the other hand, can you honestly say that this administration is known for its intelligence or subtlety?

Maybe hosting Pixies in another country is the solution, as suggested earlier. I'm not sure that the Uk would do the trick for this, though. I don't know what the UK's laws on internet sites are, but things are kind of confusing and contradictory here. Explicit sex seems to be allowed in certain magazines and has been passed in a few "arthouse" movies (like Intimacy, Romance and 9 Songs) but in general it is illegal to sell an explicit pornographic movie unless it has been classified R18 (Restricted 18) and those can only be sold in licensed sex shops (not by mail-order). I believe there are only a couple of hundred of those in the country.

Maybe a country like Canada would be a better choice, or better still - somewhere in Scandinavia or mainland Europe. Amsterdam maybe?

In the meantime it'd be great if the Pixies owners enabled the edit function on the forums so we can censor our own explicit pictures from the past incase this ends up being a problem. I'd like to be able to do this.

If you're angry about all this, then go kick up a stink - write to politicians and journalists. Don't allow the Neo-Cons to sneak all this bullshit in the backdoor without anyone even noticing. And remember to vote for Hillary at the next election, my pretties! :)

Whoo - I feel cleansed after all that. It's good to rant.

[Fangtasia]

Maybe hosting Pixies in another country is the solution, as suggested earlier. I'm not sure that the Uk would do the trick for this, though.......

Maybe a country like Canada would be a better choice, or better still - somewhere in Scandinavia or mainland Europe. Amsterdam maybe?
Pixies was originally hosted in the UK....so not sure as to why you think it couldn't be again

Can i just add that decisions like moving to another country or editing and stuff has to come from the owners....it is after all their site...Lil and us other Mods are just caretakers...we do as the boss tells us

[Lilith]

!rebeccaohl!~ changes to the edit function is definitely something being considered.

[Lilith]

As to moving...not my call. But I do suspect some overseas webhosting services will crop up to piggy back US adult entertainment industry sites.

[!rebeccakohl!]

Pixies was originally hosted in the UK....so not sure as to why you think it couldn't be again

I wasn't implying it couldn't be hosted there again. I was trying to explain that the laws in the UK on explicit imagery are confusing and contradictory and I don't know where websites fit in to that. It might be harder to get clarification on the legal situation in the uk than in other European countries. Not for us to worry about that, really, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.

Can i just add that decisions like moving to another country or editing and stuff has to come from the owners.

Yes, I know, sweetie. I have read the thread you know. :)

[!rebeccakohl!]

!rebeccaohl!~ changes to the edit function is definitely something being considered.

Thanks, Lilith. That's good to know.

[Fangtasia]

Yes, I know, sweetie. I have read the thread you know. :)
Good to hear

I was just clarifying a point thanx as were you

[PalaceGuard]

Jseal - I think you finally got your answer. All you had to do is wait! Its interesting how the regs are being extended. Like in science – when you extrapolate beyond the bounds of the model you end up with nonsensical results.

What a drag!

[Fangtasia]

Regs are being extended what?

[PalaceGuard]

The government regulations are being - have been - extended from regular old porn sites to include sites like this one. Sorry, I always say regs.

[Fangtasia]

Tis cool.

[grotochp]

so if it is soft core wouldnt that apply to guys cocks that are not hard since technically they are soft LOL well i just dont like the stuff that this government is trying not going to rant but this country is turning more and more into a communist country cant do this or that cant say this or that unless its ok with the goverment. what about setting up something with emails where if you subscribe to the thread and there are pics that are attached that you click a link and it sends you the thread pic to your email. just my 2 cents

[Fangtasia]

I can see this thread disapearing if ALL members dont play nice

I know emotions are running high...but please stop the inner bitching thanx...its just making it worse

Give it time...think of it as Pixies evolving yet again...we WILL come out the other side...it may not be exactly the same in regards to pics....but its not a complete death to the site either.

I'm sure if people thought about it....there are other ways the more racier pics can be shared

[jseal]

PalaceGuard,

Thank you sir. Yes, I once was taught that patience is a virtue.

It appears that !rebeccakohl! knows what she’s talking about. So the reporting requirements were the issue here. The extended regulations will increase both the risk and cost of maintaining visual imagery on a web site, particularly if the penalties for inadequate record keeping are as severe as I read.

It would seem that patience is a virtue which we will need to practice until after the next Federal election. And no, to those who have in the past enjoyed lambasting me when I spoke of the virtues of voting, and also to those who are looking forward to doing so again, this is not an invitation to resume doing so now. But I do hope that everyone who can do will do as GingerV has suggested they do, and make it a point of voting next time the opportunity presents itself.

[jseal]

!rebeccakohl!,

You appear to know your stuff. I'd have thought that this site, and similar sites, would have satisfied the "Mere Distribution" criteria. As that isn't true, I'm left wondering what would. It is not a big deal, and I'm aware that as an American issue, it is outside your concern, but I would like to find out.

[Winston77]

I can see this thread disapearing if ALL members dont play nice

I know emotions are running high...but please stop the inner bitching thanx...its just making it worse

Give it time...think of it as Pixies evolving yet again...we WILL come out the other side...it may not be exactly the same in regards to pics....but its not a complete death to the site either.

I'm sure if people thought about it....there are other ways the more racier pics can be shared

Rants on this thread and inner bitching are a heathy thing, Anger is a normal emotion. By making this thead disappear, would be doing to us by us what the government forcing on us.
I have watched this thread since the start. It is after all the fastest growing thread on Pixes by far.
Just my :cents:

[Fangtasia]

Excuse me....bitching is not accepted here...never has never will...

If i or any other Mod feel the need for this thread or any other for that matter to go then it will...

[jseal]

Alassë,

At the risk of finding out, how does one distinguish between ranting and bitching? :)

[Fangtasia]

Ranting is just that

Bitching is deciding to get personal with ya ranting

[Lilith]

I can see this thread disapearing if ALL members dont play nice

I know emotions are running high...but please stop the inner bitching thanx...its just making it worse

Give it time...think of it as Pixies evolving yet again...we WILL come out the other side...it may not be exactly the same in regards to pics....but its not a complete death to the site either.

I'm sure if people thought about it....there are other ways the more racier pics can be shared


I like the point you make about finding alternative ways to share. If you check out WI's new pics in Men's I think you will see he found a fun way to get his er....ummm point..... across. And I noticed that CGT's new pics are every bit as sexy as they were before the change in guidelines! I appreciate those of you seeking solutions and alternatives.

[Winston77]

:wave: :hug: :x: :) :lurv:

[Lilith]

Good thing smilies are not photographic huh? :bj: :hump:

[Winston77]

Ready for Round 2

[!rebeccakohl!]

Excuse me....bitching is not accepted here...never has never will...

If i or any other Mod feel the need for this thread or any other for that matter to go then it will...

I really don't think I've seen any personal bitching on this thread, Alassë. Just people ranting about a bad situation which none of us can control. We're angry, like you, that these changes are being forced on Pixies by the government and that there's not a lot any of us can do about it. I can only talk for myself, really, but it seems to me that by discussing amongst our selves what each of us know about the situation we're not trying to have a go at the moderators or the site owners, we're not trying to tell anyone what to do or imply that Pixies hasn't fully looked into the situation, we're just trying to make sense of all of this for ourselves and get things off our (often sizeable) chests. This seems fair enough to me in a thread for Q & A on the new rules.

Sorry if anything I've said has been taken as bitchy or personal. It really wasn't intended that way. This is a subject which interests and affects me and I find it useful to discuss it openly. It helps me clarify my own thoughts on the subject. I don't think that discussing these subjects is going to chase people away from Pixies - all the other erotic message boards are going through exactly the same turmoil, there's no way around it - but censoring free expression when there's been no personal attacks or promotion of hatred between groups involved maybe could drive some folk off to pastures new.

Anyway, I love this site and this forum and I'll keep coming here even if it ends up that all we're allowed to show is pictures of cars, houses and penguins. :)

By the way, one question I meant to ask - is my avator ok by the new guidelines? I'd argue that it's more about hygiene and cleanliness than self pleasuring :lust: but I'm happy to change it if anyone thinks it falls fowl of the new rules.

[Fangtasia]

Whatever...i stand on what you quoted

[!rebeccakohl!]

And, incidentally, I have all the required documentation and paperwork to prove my sigline was over 18 when I created her. ;)

[!rebeccakohl!]

Whatever...i stand on what you quoted
Fair dinkum. :)

[Lilith]

do you have a penguin? cause if so I want the pics NOW!!!!!

[Winston77]

Look at me Senator!

[!rebeccakohl!]

do you have a penguin? cause if so I want the pics NOW!!!!!

:) I'm pretty sure I could get hold of one if I put my mind to it. Maybe if I slap its beak playfully with a fish it'll think I'm its wife. (Sometimes the thoughts that pop into my head on a daily basis worry me!)

[!rebeccakohl!]

Look at me Senator!

Heehee - do you think the other ones are thinking "bloody show off!".

[cowgirltease]

I like the point you make about finding alternative ways to share. If you check out WI's new pics in Men's I think you will see he found a fun way to get his er....ummm point..... across. And I noticed that CGT's new pics are every bit as sexy as they were before the change in guidelines! I appreciate those of you seeking solutions and alternatives.

Thanks Lilith. I'm trying to get along with the new rules. I wish everyone would just chill out. It breaks my heart to see everyone upset. :(

Hey everyone....We STILL HAVE Pixies. I remember not too long ago when we weren't sure we had a Pixies anymore. Let's just be grateful for what we do have. :)

[Lilith]

Just caught the avatar question...looks like a lady taking a bath to me. You obviously can't take a bath with clothes on;)

Avatars depiting explicit sex, masturbation, or close ups of ya goodies should be changed out for something within the guideleines.

[jseal]

Lilith,

That will get rid of an awful lot of really cool avitars! :(

[Lilith]

Yep it bites the big one! :bite:

[dicksbro]

With all the talk of Penguins and Federal Rule Changes and all that ...

I offer you ... THE BATTLE DIN OF THE PUBLIC

[If you can't read it in the picture ... the poem reads ...

"The Battle Din of the Public

I am saddened by the ruling that our lovely Pixie pics,
Because of some ol’ bureaucrats, may soon be clearly nixed.
There were stunning shots of couples, who were surely having fun,
But our leaders couldn’t
Stand the sight of buns.
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
They probably couldn‘t get a real hard on!.

I have seen them in the forums of a hundred stunning threads,
They portrayed our super people on their floors and in their beds
They were kneeling, they were sucking, til’ their hearts were most content,
Then some clown got his head
All screwed and bent.
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
They probably couldn‘t get a real hard on!.

In the beauty of the our fillies, in the moistness of their cracks,
In the solid spears of horniness, guys laying on their backs,
With the dripping and the oozing that intoxicated us,
They ignored our borders,
Just to come for us..
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
They probably couldn‘t get a real hard on!]

[jseal]

dicksbro,

You rock! That is tooooooooo good! :)


Actually, it IS too good for the nerfherders in DC! :(

[GingerV]

Wonderful Dicksbro, simply wonderful!

[Lilith]

OMG DB you are have me cracking up sooo bad. I may need medical attention.

[musicman]

absolutely classic DB -

[Dubblz]

A Masterpiece DB...WTG!!

[dicksbro]

;)

Thank you!

[!rebeccakohl!]

Splendid, DB!

[Sugarsprinkles]

That is so totally cool, DB!! You are the Poet Laureate of Pixies Place!!!

The only thing that could make DB's anthem any better would be for Aqua to sing it and make a sound file for us, like he did of the original Pixies anthem.

[AZRedHot]

Dicksbro, that is too, too fabulous, and much needed here, methinks. Rock on with your glorious, hilarious self!

[sodaklostsoul]

/me wipes the tear from my eye! BRAVO DB!!

[dicksbro]

Thank you all, you're very kind. ;)





Besides, I thought a little levity was in order. :)

[WildIrish]

Bravo DB...wonderful timing and inspiration as always.

And thank you Lilith for the kind words. It was a bit more challenging to compile a thread without explicitity ( :confused: ) but I did have fun with it. As I indicated in one of my replies to someone's request for more ( plug, plug) :D, it's not easy to be sensual when you don't feel very sexy. That's just one area where Pixies has changed my life.

At any rate, this is the law and in order to avoid getting cock-slapped...that's what I have to do, and because Pixies is the one safe venue I have to express my exhibitionistic desires, I'll do it.

[Roostah]

so... let me get this straight -

if there are gorgeous women in this world who would like to show off themselves by masturbating and taking pics and/or vids of it, the only way to make it public is by email them out to silly horny but adorable me?

damn

[Lilith]

lol I bet if they mail them to you they are hoping to keep it private not public...but it's how I plan to conduct all my dirty nasty naked clandestine activities!

[wyndhy]

fantastic DB!

[wrestlemark]

i'm ready for all those emails from the hot pixie ladies :drool: what about our sign on password doesn't that make it private just add more sign in screens when hot pics are displayed .....can we do sumthin like that ??? ms lil ????????????????? oh and by the way heres what i think about those sobs :ahole: :ahole: :ahole: :box: screw you frredom of speech and sexy naked people rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :box: :drool: :cents:

[Lilith]

Being logged on is already necessary to view the pics.

[wrestlemark]

:hair: again before pics like a warning :hair: :nuts: ok ok huh :thumb:

[douginfla]

Any new post that break the forum guidelines are subject to deletion.
The term "producers" does not include mere distribution or any other activity which does not involve hiring, contracting for managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation of the performers depicted
Subsection h(3) states this...and as far as I know...Pixes aren't producing ANYTHING! They haven't made a dime and neither have I!

[WildIrish]

The intricacies of how 2257 applies to Pixies is above and beyond my capacity to interpret, but I'm sure the people reviewing it on behalf of the owners are brighter than me. ha ha

Bottom line is that even if their overpaid legal counsel completely misinterpreted the application or fear & paranoia drove the decision...the policy has been set and like it or not, we have to comply or risk reprocussions.

I'm not a fan of it, but I'll do what I have to to show my pecker on the internet. lmfao

[!rebeccakohl!]

The term "producers" does not include mere distribution or any other activity which does not involve hiring, contracting for managing, or otherwise arranging for the participation of the performers depicted
Subsection h(3) states this...and as far as I know...Pixes aren't producing ANYTHING! They haven't made a dime and neither have I!

Pixies is the publisher of the pictures and therefore a secondary producer. It doesn't matter whether money is being made or not.

[jseal]

douginfla,

Yes, that was my issue also. It would seem that the regulations are now being interpreted as including sites like this one among producers. It’s not immediately obvious how that interpretation could come from what I, and it would seem you, have read, but perhaps that is the political angle alluded to.

Still, !rebeccakohl! is in a position to speak with certainty on the subject, so I presume that is indeed the current interpretation.

[lonelyarmywife]

ok, two questions, hopefully without stirring up controversy.

1. Tell me again, why can we not just double password protect the pics site? Apparantly, this applies to only public pictures?

2. Why, if they are so concerned, did they not just shut down all erotica sites? Freedom of speech doesn't seem to be a priority.

I'm like lil - really really trying to keep my rants private. But I'll accept PM's for anyone that wants to hear my opinion.

[jseal]

lonelyarmywife,

There are those who want to shut down Pixies and sites like it. The difficulty lies in doing so legally.

Any blanket “shut down the smut sites” approach will be, as has been in the past, ruled as unconstitutional in Federal courts as being at variance with the Constitution’s First Amendment protections of free speech.

The Constitution does, however, authorize Congress to regulate commerce. As Pixies is a commercial operation located here in the States, it is subject to the laws, and regulations derived from those laws, passed by the Congress.

Many people would agree that it is good to exclude children from being sexually preyed upon by adults. One way to do that is to require that producers of sexually explicit material to provide documentation that the actors are not minors. This documentation requirement imposes a financial burden that the producers recover through the profits from the sale of their material to their customers. So far, I, and I suspect many people, see that as being an acceptable price to pay for what is considered a common good.

Extending those regulations to include Pixies and sites like it (which is what I have been led to believe has happened), which derive their revenue from sources other than the pictures in question, still seems to me to be unreasonable and contrived.

[Lilith]

ok, two questions, hopefully without stirring up controversy.

1. Tell me again, why can we not just double password protect the pics site? Apparantly, this applies to only public pictures?

2. Why, if they are so concerned, did they not just shut down all erotica sites? Freedom of speech doesn't seem to be a priority.

I'm like lil - really really trying to keep my rants private. But I'll accept PM's for anyone that wants to hear my opinion.

Double password protecting the pics are would do nothing. If you have a log-on to the site, then you have access to the pics. Simply re-entering that log-on would not do anything to satisfy any of the new guidelines.

[lonelyarmywife]

This is retarded. Do we have a "this is retarded" smilie? Can we make one?

Edit: How' aboot this

me-----> :nuts: <------------George W.

[Winston77]

Save one for me :nuts:

[rabbit]

With all the talk of Penguins and Federal Rule Changes and all that ...

I offer you ... THE BATTLE DIN OF THE PUBLIC



DB, that was brilliant!

Well done!


rabbit

[babybunny]

Hey there all,
Im sorry I dont have time to read the whole thread. So I am probably asking the same question that has been answered. So basically only nude shots with no touching from other persons, toys or yourself? If yes, then does that mean I need to go delete previous pictures that contain such on this site? :o

[Lilith]

You seem to understand the guidelines for what is permissible. I am not sure about previously posted content yet, but you do have the ability now to manage your own attachments.

[babybunny]

Aww thats too bad because I got a new toy and camera and wanted to show it off. *pout*

[Lilith]

You could do like some of us are and post the ones that are permissible and then return emails with zips of the rest.

[lakritze]

NOW,Is there still anybody who considers themselves a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN? Anybody want to still give these @&^%#)(*&^$%*&^% the job of being our "MORAL POLICE?" Lets show the BASTARDS what we think of this in 2006 & 2008...Another site I visit is having the same discussion about how to post sugestive pictures of themselves by linking to a private site maintained by persons living in Canada or the UK or someplace where there is still a smattering if intelligence.

[flutelady]

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!
I just had a brainstorm, brainfart whatever........Can we use pixiesorphans as an outlet for explicit pics you think? :D


What and where is pixiesorphans??

[Lilith]

It's a Yahoo group Sharni/Alasse started when we were in danger of losing the site 2 years ago. I have not checked it lately and I know Yahoo has made some changes to their groups as well.

[flutelady]

Thanks Lil... that rings a very distant bell.

[Lilith]

It's still there;)

[jseal]

Lakritze

Alas, many people do. I did some checking, and the Republicans have now been in control of both the House and Senate for the last 10 years.

http://clerk.house.gov/members/electionInfo/2004/Table.htm
(scroll to the bottom)

Indeed they have increased their majorities in both in each of the last two elections. Given these rather sobering truths, the proposition that the American electorate has been “fooled” is rather difficult to listen to with a straight face. There is obviously more to a decade of “conservative” success than some slight of hand.

Rather than rail about the problem, Pixies, and sites like Pixies would be better served by working to change the next election results as you and GingerV have suggested.

[wyndhy]

i am registered independent but i consider myself conservative, ideologically speaking.
*puts on her sexy chick cop uniform and starts to swing the baton*
;)

[fredchabotnick]

i am registered independent but i consider myself conservative, ideologically speaking.
*puts on her sexy chick cop uniform and starts to swing the baton*
;)

I'm fairly conservative fiscally. But the so called republicans in charge aren't. They're just about the ideology, which I can't support. So even though I'm also an independent, I've just been voting for dems.

[wrestlemark]

You could do like some of us are and post the ones that are permissible and then return emails with zips of the rest.



but i'm not talking to as many people as i should and they probably won't send em to me !!! :hair: :bang:

[WildIrish]

but i'm not talking to as many people as i should and they probably won't send em to me !!! :hair: :bang:


Ye have not because ye ask not.

Ask, and ye shall receive.

An apple a day...oh wait, wrong quote. :D Just ask. People who post their pictures enjoy doing so. This site gives us a place to express ourselves in an erotic, silly, sexy, friendly way that we don't have in our daily non-internet lives. I love taking and posting pictures, and I love the idea of somone actually wanting to see them. It's flattering. And I know for sure that I'm not the only one that feels this way. :D

[AZRedHot]

Ye have not because ye ask not.

Ask, and ye shall receive.

An apple a day...oh wait, wrong quote. :D Just ask. People who post their pictures enjoy doing so. This site gives us a place to express ourselves in an erotic, silly, sexy, friendly way that we don't have in our daily non-internet lives. I love taking and posting pictures, and I love the idea of somone actually wanting to see them. It's flattering. And I know for sure that I'm not the only one that feels this way. :D


Hear, hear! The man speaks truth! :D

[wyndhy]

but i'm not talking to as many people as i should and they probably won't send em to me !!! :hair: :bang:
i feel uncomfortable with it too, wrestlemark... :o

[wrestlemark]

i am registered independent but i consider myself conservative, ideologically speaking.
*puts on her sexy chick cop uniform and starts to swing the baton*
;)



hey how bout a new thread list everyone who wants to be copied to see all those great pics we can't see anymore :hair: this is drivin me f...en nuts i love my pixies ladies...iwanna see em!!!! :nopics:

[wyndhy]

LOL........wouldn't do it for me....it's a shy thing here. :p

i say you just ask, mark....what's the worst that could happen? they say no. (and somehow i really doubt that would happen anyway ;) )

[PalaceGuard]

jseal - Glad to see you working the political end of the thread. The trend line has not been favorable to you Dems over the last few years, has it? If you really want to regain control of the Federal governmant, take your suggestion to heart. Stop wasting your time trying to demonizing the Republicans. That tactic has been a failure. You guys need to figure out how to present your agenda better than the Republicans. Not just that your agenda is better than theirs, but you've got to move the product!

You might also try nominating people who will win, rather than those who are ideologicaly pure. Remember that while it may be the party faithful, the activists, who are willing to bust their asses to get the right candidate nominated, if she doesn't get elected, all you gan do is sit around for the next few years bitching about the guys who are in control.

[boilergirl1]

i only have one thing to say about the whole mess....if more us citizens would just vote and participate in the process (not at the national level) at the local level meaning local reps also city politics then we would stand a slim chance of changing life back to what we started out for 200+/- yrs ago. I'm all for protecting children but this whole thing begs the real question "Where in the sam hell are these kids' parents!!!!" "And why aren't they keeping better track of their own children?"

ok I'm of my rant my apologies to you lilith for even going
party on peeps and vote,vote,vote.

[jseal]

...party on peeps and vote,vote,vote.

boilergirl1,

A lady after my own heart! :)

[moose]

I’m not sure if this has been suggested yet but why not just move the site to another country that is not regulated by us laws.........that’s my two cents worth

[fredchabotnick]

i only have one thing to say about the whole mess....if more us citizens would just vote and participate in the process (not at the national level) at the local level meaning local reps also city politics then we would stand a slim chance of changing life back to what we started out for 200+/- yrs ago. I'm all for protecting children but this whole thing begs the real question "Where in the sam hell are these kids' parents!!!!" "And why aren't they keeping better track of their own children?"

ok I'm of my rant my apologies to you lilith for even going
party on peeps and vote,vote,vote.

Sadly, I don't think more people voting would help (until we can get these people out of power). It's the money talking. The religous right is throwing a ton of cash at them. And they're taking it.
As for the parents, that would imply personal responsibility. Which, as Americans, we apparently are unwilling to take. Just my opinion, and yes, I'm a little jaded.

[patricknsally]

I didn't realize the policies changed before I posted some pics of my wife on this thread: http://www.pixies-place.com:81/forums/showthread.php?t=25832 Are those ok? The main one I was worried about was this one (http://www.pixies-place.com:81/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55249) where she is reaching down like she is about to finger herself... Would that count as a no-no? I am not reporting anything, just asking a question... so don't count this as a report ;)

Looks like we aren't going to be able to post all the pics we wanted to in the couple forum... And just when we were becoming a little less shy...

That yahoo group you mentioned pixiesorphans won't let us sign up for it, is there a way to get in? It looks locked down from the outside, it isn't able to be searched and if you type in the url directly it says you aren't allowed to enter w/o being a member, and no way to sign up that I could see... our yahoo id is the same as it is here, patricknsally. Sorry if this was already covered, I couldn't find any other info on it...

[Lilith]

Her pics are beautiful and the one you pointed out is fine! You can PM Alasse regarding Pixiesorphans.

[Lilith]

Oh! and welcome to Pixies!!!!!

[patricknsally]

does spanking fall under the "sadistic or masochistic abuse"? What about pics of someone about to be spanked?

I wouldn't consider it to fall under that, but I'm not the one in charge of the new guidelines so I wanted to check with you first.

Thanks
P&S

[Lilith]

Only Alberto knows:p. We must remediate problems with any REPORTED posts.

[wyndhy]

hint hint ;)

[Archon]

I think you're overreacting here, if you read the entire chapter, it clearly applies to child pornography, including the sections cited.

What you perhaps ought to be concerned about is section 2252b, to wit:

(a) Whoever knowingly uses a misleading domain name on the Internet with the intent to deceive a person into viewing material constituting obscenity shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(b) Whoever knowingly uses a misleading domain name on the Internet with the intent to deceive a minor into viewing material that is harmful to minors on the Internet shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 4 years, or both.

(c) For the purposes of this section, a domain name that includes a word or words to indicate the sexual content of the site, such as “sex” or “porn”, is not misleading.

(d) For the purposes of this section, the term “material that is harmful to minors” means any communication, consisting of nudity, sex, or excretion, that, taken as a whole and with reference to its context—

(1) predominantly appeals to a prurient interest of minors;

(2) is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the adult community as a whole with respect to what is suitable material for minors; and

(3) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value for minors.

(e) For the purposes of subsection (d), the term “sex” means acts of masturbation, sexual intercourse, or physcial [1] contact with a person’s genitals, or the condition of human male or female genitals when in a state of sexual stimulation or arousal.

What exactly constitutes a "misleading domain name" is not really specified, paragraph c does state explicitly that the words "sex" or "porn" in the URL cannot be termed misleading - change your URL to pixiesexplace.com, or whatever, and I don;t see where you are prosecutable under this law, no matter what members post - as long as there are no legal monors, i.e., under the age of Eighteen depicted performing any of the sexual acts mentioned - which was already properly disallowed and monitored before this law took effect.

Doesn't seem to be anything really new, the porn film industry has had to keep records for years concerning proof of age, a perfectly reasonable precaution I think most would agree, and this mainly updates that law for the internet as far as I can tell.

The kicker here I think is section 2252b above, concerning misleading URL's - any site with a URL without the words "sex" or Porn" in it, is technically fair game.

I suppose it could be enforced in bad faith, i.e., if every porn site on the internet has to maintain records of every performer in every image posted on their site, it's gonna take up an awful lot of disk pace, and most of them steal these pics from each other anyway - section - I think they'll have their hands full just going after the child porn however. I get popups and redirects to sites offering what appears to me to be adolescent models on a regular basis - still, to be in full complience with the law, you'd have to maintain the records as described - a photocopy of the birth certificate, and a legitimate photo ID - a drivers liscence or state ID card probobly - I doubt too many poster will want to go to the trouble, not the proprieters of Pixies willing to keep it all on file, I dunno.

In any case, I'd consult an actual lawyer familiar with these types of laws before getting too wound up.

On the plus side, drawings of any sexual act have been ruled to be perfectly legal, including child porn - so if this is as far reaching as you seem to believe, I'm gonna do booming business. No child porn or rape though, gotta have some standards.