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[tshindon]

Hi everyone, I just wanted to intruduce myself (and say goodbye, I won't be back). My name is Jeff, and I have a son named Joshua, and beautiful wife named Angela. You may know her as Naughtyangel, although I had never met Naughtyangel until last night. I stumble apon this site through the history on our computer. I discovered that my wife of five years has spent the last three or so years here with you. To me, I can't find thedifference between the flirting, picture sharing, private chat and webcams, and intimate sharing, with that of a physical adulterous relationship.
Now don't worry about us, we are far to in love to ever let you come between us, but there are still some things that have to be said. First of all, I'm the one she married, I'm the one working 65 hours a week to help support us, I'm the one helping around the house, helping raise our son, and putting in quality time to keep our relationship strong. I'm the one she choise to spend her life with! But there is a bit of a problem here on this site. You see, I'm the one her life should belong to, and mine is hers, but you guys here are getting a revy intimate part of my wife that you have no rights to. You are getting the benifits of a quality relationship without putting up the comitment needed for a real relationship. You have no rights to my wife's body, and since I found out that you have it, it's tearing me up. I thought the pics she gave me were for me...do you realize that the set of pics you got with the cherries, I only got yesterday. Do you see my problem here? What will it take for you guys to see that there are real people involved in this stuff? What if your spouse found out that you are having an online affair? But like I said, don't worry about us, not even 24 hours after I found out, we are back on the road to a lifelong relationship commited only to each other.
Her pictures are getting an average of 500 downloads each. I know she's hot, but you have no rights to her. To those of you who have been with her either through our pictures, are flirting on the boards, or getting off on your webcam, there is something that has to be said. FUCK YOU, and stay away from my wife. Strong words coming from a man about the graduate Bible school and become a pastor, but do you have any idea what you are messing with? She is my life! I will not sit by and watch her being ravaged by complete strangers. Stay away from her!
We now have to work to repair her relationship with God, which was severed through her sins on this site. She never intended to go this far, but that how sin works. It takes you farther then you wanted to go, it keeps you longer then you wanted to stay, and it costs more then you wanted you pay. How many of you would honestly admit that that's how you feel about your sin here.
To the women here...you have to realize that you are far too special to be trowing yourselves around on the internet. Do you realize that you are part of the internet pornography? Do you really think these guys mean all the stuf they say? They will do whatever it takes to get your clothes off, they don't care about you! You need to know that there is forgiveness availible to you through Jesus Christ, you are not in so far that God can't help you and love you. He does love you, and He wants you back. These guys only want your body.
So before I say goodbye (and probably get banned from her, lol), I need to say it again. I love Angela more then life itself, we are getting through this. We will grow old together, then spend eternity together with God. Ang I love you, and you are forgiven. I'm glad all our secrets are in the open now. Love ya Darlin!

[LixyChick]

I must say tshindon...I'm sorry for your troubles hun, but WE (Pixies) did not kidnap your wife and MAKE her come here. I resent the implication!

That she has this "secret" from you is NOT our doing! I don't keep secrets from my husband and many, many other Pixies have spouses and S/O's who know of this site. This isn't an "all out clandestine deprevity"!

I don't know what else to say except I am sure you have some issues that need addressing...and to tell US off isn't where you should have begun!

Again...I am sorry about your troubles and I hope you see that what I am saying is that [we] don't/won't hold you respoonsible for your feelings in your spur of the moment rant!

Peace to you and yours!

[LixyChick]

P.S

Might I add...she has mentioned you and your son (not by name) and the love she feels for you and him and her happiness with her life...etc!

I just thought you'd like to know that! We know she loves you!

[LixyChick]

P.P.S. Judge not, lest ye be judged (can you tell I'm re-reading your post?)...

Your opinions of a sin and sinner are just that...YOURS! What if I were to tell you that I am an atheist? Now...what if I told you that your beliefs sucked! Yeah...it isn't what you believe and so you don't want to hear it...right? Well...I won't begrudge you your god...and you'd better stop judging me because I am on this site....or HE will judge you!

[JoyRider]

I agree that you have directed your anger and disappointment in the wrong direction. You have come here to this site and judged many of us without knowing anything about our lives. I do much good in my career for other people that most of society shuns. My interest in this site is not of sinful intensions. My spouse knows of this site and of my posts on this site. We often read things together. I have never even posted a picture on Pixies. I have two reasons for this: 1) respect for my husband as he has stated that he would not want me to post pictures of myself and 2) protection of my career because of judgemental people such as yourself. I feel there is nothing wrong with being naked and sharing my body with those whom I choose. God brought us into this world naked and that is the way we will be taken out of this world. Clothes were invented by man and are that of shame. I have no shame. I have a strong belief in God and live my life according to that which is right. I will never step foot in a church for I have been in the path of others like you before. I pray for you. You have much growing to do.

[skipthisone]

Good luck and God's speed Naughty.

[osuche]

I wish you both the best.

[WildIrish]

Hello tshindon. I'm one of the "men on the internet that has ravaged your wife". I've also ravaged Iakaraokegirl, Steph, AZredhot,imaginewithme,and especially Lilith. Come to think of it, I've ravaged Aqua, pantyfanatic, Lilith and skipthisone. Ok...maybe coaster, musicman, jseal, curiousfem, catch22, sharni, lixychick, loulabelle & fussypucker, nikki1979, sugarsprinkles, irish and Lilith. :D

By ravaged...I'm sure you mean "met, learned about the life of, discovered musical interests of, foods they like and dislike, shared news of children's school accomplishments, personal and family emergencies, deaths and births, and yes...sometimes seen provocative pictures of."

I have a wife and three children of my own. I work hard (no laughing from those of you that know me too well) and love my wife. She pops in to Pixies once in awhile but doesn't post. Well, I don't think she does. Be on the lookout for smart posts from me...it might be her! Anyway, though I may say personal things, I always do so with respect. And yes...there is a difference.

I'm sorry that you are upset. I'm sorry that you feel hurt. I honestly think I would to, if I were in your shoes. But understand that while Pixies might be a site with sex, it's not a sex site. It's a forum with adult friends. Some members are like family to me. I'd venture to say that I'd do anything for most of them.

And that's not something I ever thought I'd say about meeting people online.

Of course it's hard to take a post like this seriously when it's attached to a picture like that! Oh well...it's who I am. ha ha

[WildIrish]

Oh crap...I worked SO HARD on that response and then discovered that he said in his very first FUCKING sentence that he wouldn't be back! :rolleyes:

[IAKaraokeGirl]

<---- simply says "ditto" to WI's first post.

[musketeer]

Jeff ask yourself one question: Why do you think Angela the individual who has the right to chose and happens to be married to you felt happy coming onto this BB and sharing herself with us.

We didn't drag her here, we didn't force her to join in any of the discussions, she chose as an adult to be here, just as you have the choice not to use this facilty.

I am sorry if your discovery of one of Angela's interests has caused you pain and I hope you can put it in your past.

[darogle]

She came here of her own free will, and it's apparent to me that perhaps it was to fill a void in her life and relationship with you. Maybe that's why she didn't make it known to you. Sounds as though she was afraid you would judge her harshly for expessing her sexuality...and she was right. How dare you judge me or anyone else on this site! I can understand your feelings but it is obvious to me that you have not looked at a single post other than your wife's picture threads. You have not seen the warmth and depth of these boards. I pity your shallow view and your rush to judgement. I also resent your taking your religious stance to chastise the members of this forum on behalf of your insecurity. I suggest you talk with your wife...openly, honestly. And when you do so I suggest you realize that your wife is also a sensual, sexual creature. There is nothing wrong with that. It's natural and within God's grand design. Quit trying to control your wife, that is not your place. I'm not saying that she wasn't in the wrong for not being forthcoming with you, but judging by your response I can see why. You say you spend 65 hours a week at work, perhaps that's not the kind of support she needs. Perhaps she needs an attentive husband who will listen to her and openly appreciate her. Good luck to you both...and especially to you Angela. To you sir...well...forgive my repeating above sentiments, but judge not lest ye be judged.

[darogle]

Originally posted by WildIrish
Oh crap...I worked SO HARD on that response and then discovered that he said in his very first FUCKING sentence that he wouldn't be back! :rolleyes:

even if he's not, maybe she will and will know that we are thinking of her and wish her the best

[darogle]

Oh and "ravaged your wife"??? Give me a fucking break! I've only "ravaged" one person on this site and we are very much in love and are partners in the truest sense. Appreciated your wife, yes....but not ravaged or took advantage of or anything else disrespectful.


(Yeah, I'm rereading it too Lixy) LOL

[musketeer]

P.S. Doesn’t religion teach us to be tollerent of other peoples beliefs? Yet you are saying our belief to express our sexuality to be wrong and needing the forgivness of your god. You make me wonder if your god is the same god as the one I read about in the bible, or the one followed by those in the Talliban.

[imaginewithme]

Maybe YOUR WIFE should have been open and honest with you like I am with my husband. People can help but have feelings for FRIENDS they make on the net. I know of some people that are very heart broken to loose their FRIEND from the site.
Yeah people are on here looking at others. People are curious.

I feel bad for her that she had to be hurt.

[jennaflower]

I read this an hour ago... and altho I wanted to post there and then.. thought it better if I kept my mouth shut and my mind thinking..

and now I have returned....

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Jeff...

First let me say... that I am sorry for your pain... but honestly I believe that you are aiming your emotions in the wrong direction..

you said:

I had never met Naughtyangel until last night. I stumble apon this site through the history on our computer

How is it that you could possibly be married to such a wonderful person and NOT know her??... and YES... whether you care to admit it to yourself... Naughtyangel IS a vital part of "Angela". I don't believe that anyone "stumbles" onto anything... you went LOOKING... whether instinct (or devine intervention) lead you.. and obviously weren't prepared for what you found.


Her pictures are getting an average of 500 downloads each. I know she's hot, but you have no rights to her. To those of you who have been with her either through our pictures, are flirting on the boards, or getting off on your webcam, there is something that has to be said. FUCK YOU, and stay away from my wife.

I can't say I ever looked at her pictures... and I am sure she is beautiful... but let me remind you that 1) NO ONE forced her to post those pictures. She did so with free will and complete knowledge of her actions.

As for the stern "FUCK YOU"... completely unneccesary... the people here didn't go seeking NaughtyAngel... the opposite is true. NaughtyAngel made a home for herself here... selecting those she felt closest to to share...


We now have to work to repair her relationship with God, which was severed through her sins on this site. She never intended to go this far, but that how sin works. It takes you farther then you wanted to go, it keeps you longer then you wanted to stay, and it costs more then you wanted you pay. How many of you would honestly admit that that's how you feel about your sin here.

This is the part that hacks me the most.. We now have to work to repair her relationship with God, which was severed through her sins on this site. Strange.. now it is a "WE" that has to deal with the repair... but where were you when SHE came here... when she was searching for companionship... when she was expressing herself.. sharing her self.. Yes.. you work hard to support your family... but incase you haven't noticed... (and I BELIEVE the bible hints on this).. MONEY ISN'T everything...

We now have to work to repair her relationship with God, which was severed through her sins on this site. She never intended to go this far, but that how sin works. It takes you farther then you wanted to go, it keeps you longer then you wanted to stay, and it costs more then you wanted you pay. How many of you would honestly admit that that's how you feel about your sin here.
To the women here...you have to realize that you are far too special to be trowing yourselves around on the internet. Do you realize that you are part of the internet pornography? Do you really think these guys mean all the stuf they say? They will do whatever it takes to get your clothes off, they don't care about you!

How dare you... you don't know the people here... you don't know the love and support that is offered among us... You don't know how genuinely kind these people are.

You only have the right to identify SIN in your own life... NOT in mine... not in anyone elses.

I am sorry for your pain... but I believe that perhaps you need to address the issues that brought your wife here.... as I said before... we didn't set up her account.. or choose her password... or her identity.

[cowgirltease]

And what do YOU do when she isn't looking SIR?:rolleyes:

[MilkToast]

Originally posted by tshindon
Hi everyone, I just wanted to intruduce myself (and say goodbye, I won't be back). My name is Jeff

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FUCK YOU

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Well, I thought I would not post a reply to this. Many of you have opted to take the high road and be very eloquent in your replies and to that I say "thank you" as you express the feelings of this community well. But, since he decided to throw it out there... all I can say is "Same to you and the horse you rode in on!"

[musketeer]

Here's something straight from the teachings of Jesus for you Jeff:

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

[tshindon]

I just want to say that I fully understand my wife role in what she did. That is something to be dealt with in the privacy of our own home, not on a public forum. The reason I posted this is because I hate you for the things you have been doing with her. If I caught her cheating cheating in a physical relationship I wouldn't only blame her, but the other guy as well. I can't hold on to that kind of hatred in my life, I already forgave Ang, and I want to forgive you and move on with my life. I couldn't forgive you until you knew how much you hurt me. You gave her self confidence, feelings of exceptance, made her feel sexy, made her feel wanted, made her feel proud...this is all stuff that you striped from me! I'm over it now, I just needed you to know how I feel. I never expected you to recieve my message, and never cared if you did, I just needed you to know. If you don't think what I said applied to you, then it probably didn't. I realize it was only a handful of people she talked to regularly. Just remember that there are real people involved here, and people are getting hurt, I forgive you all, and just want to move on with my life now.

[jseal]

Tshindon,

I am numbered among those who complimented naughtyangel on her posts, and yes, may also be numbered among those who received compliments from her.

While this situation is neither of your making nor enjoyable for you, permit me to make a modest proposal. Before leaving this site behind you, take the opportunity to learn more about your wife by reading what she actually said and did.

1. Click the back button on your browser
2. Scroll to the bottom of the page
3. Click on the “go” button in the lower right
4. In the text box under “Search By User Name” type your wife’s nic, naughtyangel, and on the left side select the “Show results as posts” option button.
5. Click the “Perform Search” command button.

This is an opportunity for you to unveil parts of your loved one which you admit you do not yet know. The opportunity is unlikely to return. Have her sit with you. Discuss her posts if you two can do so.

I thank you for your forgiveness and wish you and yours well in the future.

[skipthisone]

Very good idea Jseal.

"We cannot learn from that which we do not understand"

[maddy]

I have to wonder *outloud* had NA been shunned her for her choice to surf the net with a marriage license if we would have been receiving this same message from her husband?

Is that what he is suggesting, should we shun each person who happens upon this site and is married, reminding them that they are doing wrong (not sure who defines it as a wrongdoing)?

Or is this not even an acceptable act for singledom persons either?

It's interesting, being single myself and having made friends with married persons, and even had very intimate moments virtually, I've often questioned if it is right or wrong. I still don't know the real answer to that question, even for myself.

But, what I do know is that the first man to show me what true love means was someone I met virtually, someone who is married, and someone I still consider a wonderful friend. Our intamacy has ended as he repaired his marriage (afterall that's what he was seeking is someone to fill his emptiness), but we remain strong friends. As I see it, we were there for one another for a purpose. I filled his void, and helped lead him back to his wife, he taught me what love is truly about and hopefully someday I will be able to again experience such with someone who can give to me of themselves completely.

I know I am getting a bit away from the point of my post, but I must say that I am not surprised by this attack as I have seen it before. It's always the result of someone not sharing fully with their spouse for whatever reason. What will never cease to amaze me though is the attitude that everyone else in the situation is wrong. Such as this kind gent has indicated that we are wrong and have no rights to his wife. I won't get into how that word "RIGHTS" burns me terribly, but to each their own.

It's a shame the only way we could have made him happy is to shame, belittle, dislike, shun, and cast stones at NA - but I bet then we'd be blamed for not being very friendly people. It's a catch 22 that has no winning solution for this man.

Now that I've borrowed Lixy's soap box for far too long of a post, I will end it.

best of luck to you and yours kind gent. I hope that NA can show you what a warm and accepting place this is. Perhaps someday down the road you will be able to accept that this is not about pornography, or about being ravaged but that this is about a wonderful group of people spread across the globe that without the internet would not likely have the opportunity to interact. To learn and share with others about your life is an amazing opportunity that the internet has presented us with and I can only hope that someday all people will come to accept it for the wonderful resource it can be.

*dang got right back up on that box*

[jennaflower]

Bravo to Maddy.... awesome post.... :)

[BIBI]

Tshindon,

You certainly have one heck of a way of getting even with your wife.

If you hold all that you say as sacred then why come here and vent?
I understand your hurt but placing yourself above the rest of us(including your wife) is not a reason to come here and preach.

You state very clearly that the two of you have worked things out and are moving on. Well good for the two of you, but did you really have to come here and make this matter a public forum just to make yourself "feel better"?
You want your marriage and personal life to remain private without interference from outsiders, yet you come here and invite at will everyone to join you, to read your hurt, your anger. You come back again after saying you wouldn't! Why?
Instead of returning to the source of your pain.....move on and quit embarrassing yourself. AND don't blame us or your wife for your actions in this matter. You could have dealt with this privately and you should have. Just my$.02

[jentheredhead]

wow


ummm, wow.

i am new here and don't know NA at all but i am married and i am a sinner. i enjoy my life and my husband enjoys me. i am not perfect none of us are. angela is human and if she was seeking attention elsewhere then jeff my dear you have let your wife down. she has not let you down because you know darn well that flesh is weak. fulfill her desires and she would have no reason to find pleasure in others.

[kathy1]

Hello Jeff,
I must say you have left me thinkin long and hard about some things....first, i must say that i'm still somewhat of a newbie here and never got to know your wife....but i do know she is very highly thought of and not for the so-called reasons you mentioned. And i do so wish peace and happiness to her as she goes this journey.....and yes, i do mean the peace and joy that passeth all understanding.
Secondly i find myself quite sad that you and she have had this sort of conflict. I feel I must say that i wonder if you let her be as sexually open with you as she NEEDS to be. And I say that not as one whom you chastise, but as a woman who has been in those same shoes. As two become one, please be patient with her and with yourself and with you two as a couple. Have the patience of God and love her and let her love as she NEEDS to. Sexuality does not fit a mold. Explore TOGETHER.....truly be as one at all times.
And lastly the sad part to me is that you don't know the real love that goes on here. I may be a newbie but i have seen the way they support and encourage each other. I am constantly encouraged and lifted up by the few i am getting to know. And it's more than just a sex thing....although that ain't such a bad perk.

[Eros]

I just think it's funny that he said it would be his first and last post in the very first sentence...but lo and behold....he came back! Now, as far as the sins here...we should all go do 10 Hello Dolly's and drink 20 bloody marys and we'll forget our so-called sins and wont' worry about it!

[skipthisone]

The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self control. - 1 Corinthians 7:3-5


Yes to maybe the surprise of many, Skip knows his bible very well. While I think lots of the things that goes on here crosses the lines of sin, sin in the end is each to his own heart and between each person and God. I myself am one of the biggest failures at temptation I know, but I still come here, not out of temptation, but out of fellowship.

If your wife truly loves you as you say, then it was your failure and ill attention that brought her to seek what she needs. Paul knew that no matter the faith of an individual that the human beings self control will not hold what we need naturally. Love your wife, take her to bed and make love to her as a husband should with passion of being.

I wish both of you the best of luck, every marriage deserves to survive.

[denny]

tshindon,

I know we all came to Pixies looking for something different. Perhaps some of us are not even fully aware of what it is they seek. Let it suffice that Angela was looking for something that she needs and that very apparently is missing from her present life situation. Do NOT reject her needs out of hand because YOU view them to be sins.If I were you, and yes, I do hear the caring in your message, I would focus on what you both need to change to fulfill each other. If you don't, you may very well lose the relationship that you do have.

I wish you both well and pray that you find help navigating the treacherous path ahead. I know from personal experience it is fraught with many dangers and the way is never clear. Good luck.

[cowgirltease]

Originally posted by tshindon
I just want to say that I fully understand my wife role in what she did. That is something to be dealt with in the privacy of our own home, not on a public forum. The reason I posted this is because I hate you for the things you have been doing with her. If I caught her cheating cheating in a physical relationship I wouldn't only blame her, but the other guy as well. I can't hold on to that kind of hatred in my life, I already forgave Ang, and I want to forgive you and move on with my life. I couldn't forgive you until you knew how much you hurt me. You gave her self confidence, feelings of exceptance, made her feel sexy, made her feel wanted, made her feel proud...this is all stuff that you striped from me! I'm over it now, I just needed you to know how I feel. I never expected you to recieve my message, and never cared if you did, I just needed you to know. If you don't think what I said applied to you, then it probably didn't. I realize it was only a handful of people she talked to regularly. Just remember that there are real people involved here, and people are getting hurt, I forgive you all, and just want to move on with my life now.

I knew you'd be back. You sweetheart are a very insecure person. you need to grow up! Your wife loves you very much and YOU better not hurt her! Hate is an evil thing. you of all people should know this. We don't hate each other here and neither should you. If you haven't figured it out yet , you discovering this site has made you aware of your own shortcomings in your relationship with your wife. You need to learn from this experience and start listening to her. If you would have she probably wouldn't have been here in the first place. She isn't the whore you think she is. She just wanted to be appreciated and loved and paid attention to. All you have done is tried to threaten and scare and humiliate people. Are you proud of that? You married her, you don't OWN her and you have no right to try to control her That my friend is NOT what marriage is all about. We stripped nothin from you. She shared with us, That's all. BTW I don't post my pics all over the internet. This is a PRIVATE site. Members only or I wouldn't be here. Remember .......... the greatest gift is love.
P.S. we forgive you too.:)

[Belial]

I'm so glad that you displayed your anger so nakedly - your evil, fleshly anger - otherwise, I might have to pry that thin veneer of I'll-pray-for-you-dirty-sinners-benevolence off to get at it. Thankyou for saving me the trouble.

Not being similarly encumbered with religion as you are, I say without shame, fuck you and fuck your pompous, presumptous, pious, prejudicial chest thumping and territorial pissing. I will not be shamed for my humanity and the desires that come with it. If you truly believe that there are real people involved here, act like it and start treating your wife like an independant person and not some ornament of your ego. Looking at your wife does not constitute "ravaging" and if you believe it does then you've got some issues, Pastor Jeff.

You and I both know that you wouldn't start a thread without hanging around to read the replies. Now, let us know when you've finished your irrational little e-catharsis (did you forget we're all real people too? :( *sniffle*), and maybe we can have some productive discussion. I don't hold out much hope, but prove me wrong and I'll be pleased.

In filthy evil sin,
Belial

[Pita]

Wow! That was all quite a read and very interesting. As a Christian myself I want to show the whole scripture that has been mentioned here.


New Living Translation
Mat 7:1 "Stop judging others, and you will not be judged.
Mat 7:2 For others will treat you as you treat them.* Whatever measure you use in judging others, it will be used to measure how you are judged.
Mat 7:3 And why worry about a speck in your friend's eye* when you have a log in your own?
Mat 7:4 How can you think of saying, `Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,' when you can't see past the log in your own eye?
Mat 7:5 Hypocrite! First get rid of the log from your own eye; then perhaps you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend's eye.


I can appreciate the shock you have had in learning of your wife's "secret life." I believe you are hurt and in pain over what you consider a betrayal of her trust and what you hold sacred.

But have you asked yourself why did she not tell you? Why did she have a need to seek out others to share her life with.

I have been on the internet for a year now and a Pixie player for a little over a week. I have been on many message boards including a board I love that is strictly a conservative Christian board. As much as I love the people there I see this sort of thing everyday. Christians judging and playing the holier then thou game.

I have seen nothing but respect shown to myself here at Pixies. I have met some very kind and great people already. You need to remember that we are complex humans with needs and desires.

My husband does know I am a Pixie girl. He has stood over me many times while I play the smut games. I show him the pics and avatars. We have an amazing sex life and that is not why I am here.

I am here because I like people and I like to have fun. I like the innocent flirting and the meaningful friendships that one can have.

Do I tell my husband everything I do here or elsewhere. No, but that's my business. I could tell him all I do but I like to have something that is just mine. I know for a fact that I don't neglect my duties as a wife. I have actually become a better wife now that I have an outlet for expressing myself.

I suggest you learn to allow her to be herself and not force her into the role you believe she should fit into. It will only cause resentment and rebellion and that will hurt your marriage a lot more then her showing a few pics and having a little fun with like minded people.

[Vullkan]

OK my turn...though I doubt Mr (t)shindon you have the courage to read this. But as you would look at your wife's activities perhaps you miss the point that there maybe somethings missing in your marriage. And just possibly you are part of the missing element in the marriage--something brought your wife here.

You might think it as something simple as just "sin". But as I have read very closely your words I see much of the problem thousands of miles away. It seems to me that you have too many of life's answers. That if a person does X then the result is going to be Y. Well, life is not so simple--working 65 hours a day, providing and making a determined effort to putting in "quality time" to make the marriage work is your way of applying X in your life to get the Y result--sad! You as most men of the cloth should realize that the spirit behind all actions are all that matters.

And like a fool you are ignoring a very important element in your wife's life. It is for you to find not me or anyone else to find. But your wife has sought it here. If I where you, I would get off my holier then thou high horse and take a long look at myself and see what element that you are not providing for your wife. I hate to prodict your future but if you don't--sadly as it is human nature to do so, it is just possible that someone other then you will provide it to your wife; maybe not here at Pixies, but perhaps else where.

[Grumble]

For mine I have done nothing more sinful with NaughtyAngel than be kind and friendly with her. I have shown her respect and congratulated her and wished both you and her on the birth of your child and shown a friends interest.

What is so sinful about the human body? Did not the Lord make us all? Much of the pain, suffering and intolerance on this earth is because people get obsessive obout religous ideals and make their own interpretation of the holy book(s). I am including all religions in this not just Christianity.

I have met some of the people on this site and have had sex with only one and we are engaged to be married. I did not meet these people for any immoral reasons but ones of friendship.

No one has taken anything from you, Jeff, you are caught up in your own hell fuelled by your own convictions that are far from forgiving and very judgemental. Where does evil spring from? Increasingly it is unearthed in priests and people of the cloth who spout the word of the lord and practise deceit and depravity behind that veneer of respectability.

I would bet that if you find that the people in this forum were actually more respectable morally than a similar group of ministers and holier than thou sunday christians.

I pray that your great love of Angela is true and that you do not let your dogma drag her into a life of unhappiness.

[celticangel]

I would like to say:
"onyerselgrumble!"


Have just read though this thread and realised how much I missed not being here.
If you look for evil you will find it~~~~~~but same goes if you look for friendship and acceptance.
I have faith in my lord and in the knowledge that he loves me not inspite of what I am, but for all I am.
I have faith in my friends and in my family
But most of all, I have faith that one day love and kindness will be noticed above all the saddness and sorrow.
Hugs to you all! xxxxxx :love:

[rabbit]

Tshindon, why don't you....


....aw, the hell with it.


rabbit