If you can't do the time,don't do the crime!

[Irish]

TOO HOT FOR ARIZONA CONVICTS ???



It's even hotter than usual in Phoenix, 116 degrees, sets a new record,

the Associated Press reports:



About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at

the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their

government-issued pink boxer shorts.



On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on

their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees
inside, the

week before. Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected

on their chests and dripped down to their pink socks.



"It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzo, an inmate who has

lived in the tents for 1 ½ years. "It's inhumane."



Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago

started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not

one bit sympathetic.



He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates:



"It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and

they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your damned mouths. "



KIND OF PUTS THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE DOESN'T IT?

[darogle]

I love it! Thanks Irish! :D

[Lilith]

God I hate pink:p fucking cruel torture:D

[darogle]

It's even the Barbi shade of pink!

LOL

[Lilith]

putrid!!!!

[Sharni]

*LOL*

[dreamgurl]

For some reason I love that judge.

[Irish]

darogle---Makes sense,doesn't it?I've lived thru both.In one case,
I probably deserved it.As a soldier,I just did as I was told! Irish
P.S.I was a service-man, from 1961-1965,so it was, probably,a
little different, in how you looked at life!

[Ranger1930]

I would love.. to shake that mans hand....

[Belial]

I'm going to go against the grain here. Prison need not be comfortable, but it should be safe, and these temperatures are hardly safe. How many of you will sing the judge's praises if someone dies? Let's keep in mind that this is a county jail, not a Supermax full of serial killers, and anyone fighting in 120 F degree heat in Iraq is there because they chose to be there.

[Ranger1930]

regardless of the crime.. i think they deserve it.. if not for the simple fact that they should know they broke the law.. and well.. were stupid enough to get caught.... But.. the Experience of their prison stay alone in that type of condition alone will be enough to make them not want to get ... caught again...


But.. on your other part.. about our boys in iraq.. well i see that.. but.. still... when you break the law.. you need to be ready for the consequences of which.. and exactly what irish said

If you can't do the time.... don't do the crime..

[Belial]

Sure, do the time, but I don't believe that time should be served in inhumane conditions. Somewhere the line must be drawn to delimit fair punishment and unfair cruelty and I believe putting prisoners in conditions which pose a threat to their health and are avoidable is unfair and cruel. Some people in county jails are there awaiting trial, are they not? A decent proportion of those are not going to be convicted, true?

[Sharni]

They deserve it....i believe all prisons holding convicted prisoners should go back to breaking rocks and chains! Might give criminals good damn incentive not to want to come back for another try

[rabbit]

Amen Irish and Sharni....let 'em sweat. They deserve it.

As for the pink, serves them right.

I don't feel sorry for them in the least. As for the comparison to our troops, those inmates have it BETTER...no one is shooting at them.


rabbit

[Irish]

I doubt if the Australian Troops,want to be there,but they swore
that they would do as told,& thats what they're doing.I,actually,
know people,that want to go BACK to jail,because it's the only
way,that they think,that they can get cable TV,3 hots & a cot,etc.
My (deceased) father was a Conn. State Cop & a town,aux,cop.I
doubt that he would like to see them treated good,if they raped
his wife,sister,daughter-in-law,grandchildren,etc. But they weren't
serial killers. Irish

[Grumble]

Originally posted by Belial
anyone fighting in 120 F degree heat in Iraq is there because they chose to be there.

I tend to disagree with you mate. The soldiers have no choice, they were posted there and they have to follow orders as they swore an oath to obey orders when they signed up.

I was posted to Vietnam but a change of goverment in Australia at the time meant that I did not have to go. i thought personally that it was a shambles and we should not be there but I was ready to go because I was a serviceman and it was my duty.

Those prisoners were doing their sentence and I am sure that if any had medical problems then they would have been placed where their health was assured.

[Belial]

That's my point Grumble, they weren't conscripted, they signed up. And when you sign up, you give your word that you're prepared to go wherever the government decides you should be fighting. Hardly the same as having your birthdate drawn out - and even then you could be a CO.

[Belial]

Originally posted by rabbit
Amen Irish and Sharni....let 'em sweat. They deserve it.

As for the pink, serves them right.

I don't feel sorry for them in the least. As for the comparison to our troops, those inmates have it BETTER...no one is shooting at them.


rabbit

I'm sure the inmates do have it better than the soldiers. The soldiers, however, signed up to get shot at.

I think if you need to be keeping people at close to 140 degrees to keep them from re-offending there is something seriously fucked with the judicial system. "Humane" doesn't mean free cable.

[Sharni]

Your entitled to your opinion hun

But for me i see absolutely no problem with it....were some of these criminals humane to their victims...i think not

But again that is my opinion

[Belial]

I'm sure some weren't humane. Some are probably there for being caught with a dimebag. Some are probably awaiting trials that will determine whether or not they are in fact criminals. Personally I think that if treating people inhumanely is punishable under criminal law then it is rather perverse that those enforcing those laws are permitted to be inhumane in administering punishment.

Again, only my opinion.

[Sharni]

If you go back and read my original statement...i said convicted criminals.....not those awaiting trial

And i dont particulary care wether they snatched a purse or chopped their granny into a million pieces.....what they did was a crime and as a consequence have to live with whatever punishment is given

Sometimes ya gotta be cruel to be kind.....i'd much rather deter them than hurt them.....but it goes back to the original...if ya do the crime do the time

If ppl know what to expect before they do the crime....then they go and do it anyway...well they can bloodywell live with it

[Oldfart]

Isn't there a ban in the USA on cruel and unusual punishment?

Sorry, I forgot the military had revoked that one.

[Belial]

If they keep doing it it won't be unusual anymore :)

[Irish]

I have given MY opinion!As in politics,nothing gets solved by going back & forth!I am starting to wonder about posting anything!It seems as tho everything starts a debate.In MY opinion,the world is so screwed up,because everyone is so soft!
Irish

[lakritze]

Is that the same Joe Arpino that was given him moment of "fame" on Penn and Teller's BULL SHIT? If so,what a fucking jerk...Does anybody realize that most of those "hardend criminals" are there because of Marijuana possession? We have more that enough of the "get tough on crime" bunch.Where are the get sensible on crime people?

[Kissy]

I think it's just too big of an issue to offer one opinion. I think convicted criminals should have harsh punishments. But this is only a county jail, not a prison.

However before I answered on here I looked it up, for this exact place, to see what I could find. I found this:

Tent City (http://www.ayalaforsheriff.com/html/tent_city.html)