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Irish
05-17-2004, 10:25 PM
HISTORICAL TRIVIA

Did you know?

In George Washington's days, one's image was
either sculpted or painted. Some paintings of George Washington showed
him standing
behind a desk with one arm behind his back while others showed both
legs
and both arms. Prices charged by painters were not based on how many
people were to be painted, but by how many limbs were to be painted.
Arms and legs are "limbs," therefore painting them would cost the buyer
more. Hence the _expression, "Okay, but it'll cost you an arm and a leg."

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As incredible as it sounds, men and women took baths only twice a year!
(May and October) Women kept their hair covered, while men shaved their
heads (because of lice and bugs) and wore wigs. Wealthy men could afford
good wigs made from wool. The wigs couldn't be washed, so to clean them
they could carve out a loaf of bread, put the wig in the shell, and bake
it for 30 minutes. The heat would make the wig big and fluffy, hence the
term "big wig." Today we often use the term "here comes the Big Wig"
because someone appears to be or is powerful and wealthy.

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In the late 1700s, many houses consisted of a large room with only one
chair. Commonly, a long wide board was folded down from the wall and
used or dining. The "head of the household" always sat in the chair
while everyone else ate sitting on the floor. Once in a while, a guest
(who was almost always a man) would be invited to sit in this chair
during a meal. To sit in the chair meant you were important and in
charge. Sitting in the chair, one was called the "chair man." Today in
business we use the _expression or title "Chairman" or "Chairman of the
Board."

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Needless to say, personal hygiene left much room for improvement. As a
result, many women and men had developed acne scars by adulthood. The
women would spread bee's wax over their facial skin to smooth out their
complexions. When they were speaking to each other, if a woman began to
stare at another woman's face she was told "mind your own bee's wax."
Should the woman smile, the wax would crack, hence the term "crack a
smile." Also, when they sat too close to the fire, the wax would melt
and therefore the _expression "losing face."

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Ladies wore corsets which would lace up in the front. A tightly tied
lace was worn by a proper and dignified lady as in "straight laced."

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Common entertainment included playing cards. However, there was a tax
levied when purchasing playing cards but only applicable to the "Ace of
Spades." To avoid paying the tax, people would purchase 51 cards
instead. Yet, since most games require 52 cards, these people were
thought to be stupid or dumb because they weren't "playing with a full
deck."

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Early politicians required feedback from the public to determine what
was considered important to the people. Since there were no telephones,
TV's or radios, the politicians sent their assistants to local taverns,
pubs, and bars who were told to "go sip some ale" and listen to people's
conversations and political concerns. Many assistants were dispatched at
different times. "You go sip here" and "You go sip there." The two
words "go sip" were eventually combined when referring to the local
opinion and, thus we have the term "gossip."

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At local taverns, pubs, and bars, people drank from pint and quart-sized
containers. A bar maid's job was to keep an eye on the customers and
keep the drinks coming. She had to pay close attention and remember who
was drinking in "pints" and who was drinking in "quarts," hence the term
"minding your "P's and Q's."

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One more:

In the heyday of sailing ships, all war ships and many freighters
carried iron cannons. Those cannons fired round iron cannon balls. It
was necessary to keep a good supply near the cannon, but how to prevent
them from rolling about the deck? The best storage method devised was a
square based pyramid with one ball on top, resting on four resting on
nine, which rested on sixteen. Thus, a supply of 30 cannon balls could
be stacked in a small area right next to the cannon. There was only one
problem...how to prevent the bottom layer from sliding or rolling from
under the others. The solution was a metal plate called a "Monkey" with
16 round indentations. But, if this plate were made of iron, the
ironballs would quickly rust to it. The solution to the rusting problem
was to make "Brass Monkeys." Few landlubbers realize that brass
contracts much more and much faster than iron when chilled.
Consequently, when the temperature dropped too far, the brass
indentations would shrink so much that the iron cannonballs would come
right off the monkey. Thus, it was quite literally, "Cold enough to
freeze the balls off a brass monkey." (And all this time, you thought
that was an improper _expression, didn't you?)

LixyChick
05-18-2004, 05:00 AM
I've read these before...but still always interesting!

Bathing only twice a year? Ewwwwwww! I could go on and on about that one...um...but I won't! LOL!

Oldfart
05-18-2004, 05:47 AM
Some good stuff there, but I thought

a. With wigs often made of horse hair, due to the shortage of blonde horses,
wigs were expensive and the bigger (and dearer) the wig, the
richer and more powerful the wearer.

b. The "man" in Chairman came from the Latin "manere" to hold.

c. Losing (or gaining) face is an expression from the Orient.

Damn, another research session.

Aqua
05-18-2004, 12:43 PM
These were all fun to read but I would bet that not one of them are true.

I thought the same thing abut losing face, OF.

Irish
05-18-2004, 01:07 PM
Aqua---I don't know,what is True/False!These are from an e-mail,
that my uncle,in Conn.,sent to me.I put it on here because I
thought that everyone,would enjoy it.At least we know that if,
Sharni,is done,measuring the hanger,from the True or False? thread,that now she will have something to research! Irish

Aqua
05-18-2004, 01:19 PM
I definitely enjoyed them Irish!

Sharni
05-18-2004, 01:21 PM
Well i know the brass monkey one is a true fact without having to look it up *L*

I'll get back to ya on the others :D

wyndhy
05-18-2004, 01:34 PM
very informative. now that i've had my daily dose of book learnin', can i go smut around?:D

lakritze
05-18-2004, 04:41 PM
I'd like to stay around and talk some more, but it is May.....Time for my first of two yearly baths.......

Aqua
05-18-2004, 05:33 PM
From the US Navy's Naval Historical Center Website...

The first recorded use of the term "brass monkey" appears to dates to 1857 when it was used in an apparently vulgar context by C.A. Abbey in his book Before the Mast, where on page 108 it says "It would freeze the tail off a brass monkey." [Source: Lighter, J.E. ed. Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang. (New York: Random House, 1994): 262.]

It has often been claimed that the "brass monkey" was a holder or storage rack in which cannon balls (or shot) were stacked on a ship. Supposedly when the "monkey" with its stack of cannon ball became cold, the contraction of iron cannon balls led to the balls falling through or off of the "monkey." This explanation appears to be a legend of the sea without historical justification. In actuality, ready service shot was kept on the gun or spar decks in shot racks (also known as shot garlands in the Royal Navy) which consisted of longitudinal wooden planks with holes bored into them, into which round shot (cannon balls) were inserted for ready use by the gun crew. These shot racks or garlands are discussed in: Longridge, C. Nepean. The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships. (Annapolis MD: Naval Institute Press, 1981): 64. A top view of shot garlands on the upper deck of a ship-of-the-line is depicted in The Visual Dictionary of Ships and Sailing. New York: Dorling Kindersley, 1991): 17.

Sharni
05-18-2004, 07:14 PM
Arm and a Leg ~ 3 options

It most certainly means (to the effect) "I would sacrifice a LOT". I've always wondered if it were rooted in Shakespeare. "Honour pricks me on. Yea, but how if honour prick me off when I come on? how then? Can honour set to a leg? No. Or an arm? No. Or take away the grief of a wound? No. Honour hath no skill in surgery then? No. What is honour? A word. What is that word, honour? Air. A trim reckoning! Who hath it? He that died o' Wednesday. Doth he feel it? No. Doth he hear it? No. Is it insensible then? Yea, to the dead. But will it not live with the living? No. Why? Detraction will not suffer it:- therefore, I'll none of it: Honour is a mere scutcheon, and so ends my catechism." Shakespeare.-King Henry IV. Part I. Act V. Scene 1. (Falstaff.)

Eric Partridge, "A Dictionary of Catch Phrases." says this phrase comes from the U.S. and that its probable origin is another phrase, "if it takes a leg!" About the latter phrase, he says "'Threat of a desperado, in search of revenge' (George P. Burnham, 'Memoirs of the United States Secret Service,' 1872): US underworld: c. 1850-1910. Even at the cost of a leg."

There's another Brewer's entry that sounds like it might have a connection: Chance one's arm - "To run a risk in the hope of succeeding and obtaining a profit or advantage. The.phrase is of army origin. A non-commissioned officer who offends against service regulations risks demotion and the loss of a stripe from his sleeve."

Sharni
05-18-2004, 07:17 PM
Big Wig

This term for an important person dates to c. 1731. It's a reference to the powdered wigs that men wore in the 18th century. Rich and important men would have larger, more expensive wigs. Hence the term.

Contrary to the bit of Internet folklore that is floating about, men did not shave their heads under the wigs (or at least most didn't) and the wigs were not placed in a loaf of bread and baked in order to clean them. That is simply absurd.

Sharni
05-18-2004, 07:37 PM
Chairman

Contemporary non-sexist usage calls for the word chair to be used in place of chairman because this position is no longer exclusively occupied by males. In a bit of revisionist etymology, some claim that the term chairman is inherently non-sexist because the -man portion comes from the Latin manus, meaning hand. The chairman is the hand of the one sitting in the chair guiding the meeting.

This is simply incorrect. It comes from chair, as in the chair of authority, plus man, or person. The word appears as early as 1654. Chairwoman is not that much younger. It appears as early as 1699, although it was not in common use until the 19th century

Sharni
05-18-2004, 07:38 PM
Bees Wax

This term, commonly used in the phrase none of your beeswax, is an Americanism dating to the 1930s. It is simply an intentional malapropism for business. It has nothing to do with actual wax.

Lose Face

In the expressions to save face and to lose face, the word face means reputation, or one's good name.

To lose face is a translation of the Chinese tiu lien. It first appears in English in 1876.

The word face itself, is from the French, which in turn is from the Latin facia. The English word dates to c. 1290.

Sharni
05-18-2004, 07:51 PM
Straightlaced ~ from dictionary

1. excessively strict in conduct or morality, prudish
2. tightly laced, or wearing tightly laced garments

Sharni
05-18-2004, 08:01 PM
Not playing with the full deck

the phrase is simply a jocular expression similar to 'Bats in the Belfry' or 'his elevator does not run all the way to the top. '

Sharni
05-18-2004, 08:03 PM
Gossip

This is a very old word with a much more modern meaning. It comes from the Old English godsibb, meaning a godparent or baptismal sponsor. It comes from god + sib (meaning blood relation as in sibling). It dates to at least 1014.

By 1362, the term was being used to mean a close friend, one you might chose to be godparent to your children. It was applied to both men and women, although in later uses it came to be applied only to women. By 1566, the word was being used to mean a flighty woman, one who would engage in idle talk. From there it came to mean the idle talk itself.

Sharni
05-18-2004, 08:06 PM
P's & Q's

The phrase dates to the late 18th century--at least 1779. The exact origin is unknown, but several competing hypotheses seem to be the most likely.

The first is that it derives from the phrase p and q which was an abbreviation for prime quality. This English dialectical term dates to the 17th century. So to mind your p's and q's would mean to be exacting in detail and ensure high quality.

The second is that it refers to difficulty children had in learning to distinguish between the letters p and q, being mirror images of one another. To learn one's p's and q's is a phrase meaning to learn one's letters is first recorded around 1830--somewhat later but not impossible as the origin. Often this explanation is identified with printers and distinguish between a p and a q in type, but the early use exclusively deals with children, not printing.

The third, first suggested by Farmer and Henley at the turn of the 20th century, is that the phrase comes from the practice of maintaining a tally in pubs and taverns. Marks under column P, for pint, or Q, for quart, would be made on a blackboard. To tell a bartender to mind his Ps and Qs would be to tell him to mind his own business and get back to work.

Another commonly suggested explanation is that it is a variation on mind your pleases and thank yous, a plea for gentility and manners. There is no evidence to support this, nor does the please and thank you phrase appear anywhere except in explanations of the Ps and Qs origin.

The last is from the world of printing. Typesetters had to be skilled in reading letters backward, as the blocks of type would have mirror images of the letters. The lower-case letters p and q were particularly difficult to distinguish because they are mirrors of one another and located in bins next to one another. Typesetters had to be particularly careful not to confuse the two

Which is the correct one is anybody's guess

Sharni
05-18-2004, 08:15 PM
Brass Monkey

Though monkey was a term used in this context and era (the boys bringing charges to the guns from the magazine were known as powder monkeys and there is some evidence that a type of cannon was called a monkey in the mid seventeenth century), there is no evidence for the word being applied to a pile of cannon shot.

See ya learn something new every day *LOL*

Kissy
05-18-2004, 08:39 PM
I honestly don't know which I enjoy more, the emails Irish shares with us which always make us think. Or Sharni's facts she supplies us with so we don't have to think anymore! Thanks to you both for sharing!

Aqua
05-19-2004, 03:10 PM
Thanks for the fact finding Sharni!