Abu Ghraib Crimes

[Vigil]

My first post has been pulled, and I respect that. I gave a link to an uncenored link of the rapes by US personnel in Iraq. Many have argued for no censorship in these pages - I am still undecided.

Personally I am very disturbed by these images and the manner in which they were taken.

The uncensored images are much harder to bear and I to my knowledge have never seen images of sex abuse.

If you don't want to discuss these issues - fine - if you want the link then PM me. If you do this to get pleasure, then may you answer to a vengeful god, preferably a female one.

[Lilith]

I feel that posting the pics of rapes in progress is dispicable. It re-victimizes these poor people. I don't give a shit about censorship. They take an unexplicably horrible situation and make it a zillion hits worse. The pics sickened me as did the fact that someone has decided to distribute them on the web. How would they feel if the victim was someone they loved? It should be a human right not to have your most private hell publicized because someone thinks the world should know. The public's "right to know" should not supercede a victim's right to privacy.

[Vigil]

Whilst I agree that the victims have not consented to their images being available on the www, the fact is that they are out there and nothing that you or I can do will change that. A further sad reality is that the victims' identity has not been protected whilst the rapists' has.

For me the disgrace is the original abuse of consent, one that is being used across the world as we speak to ensure that the US has lost both the war for hearts and minds in Iraq and anywhere else.

The rest of the world is looking at these images and drawing their own conclusions. I look at them and feel profound and unforgiving shame. Not to see the faces protects the viewer from the full horror.

You probably do not realise it but the US army is being seen across the Arab world to have broken one of the fundamental rules of war as proscribed by Mohamed. This means that a further percentage of muslims will now accept acts of indiscriminate terror against us.

I could go on, but there you go.

[Lilith]

I want to warn you before you PM Vigil for the pics. It was the single most offensive thing I have ever seen and I am pissed that it was not labeled so that I would have known not to view it. I feel viewing the site basically promotes their irresponsible behavior. I highly suggest you don't view it if things bother you easily.

I would also add that once you click the link you are assaulted by the images.

[Vigil]

and I would add that I am not easily bothered and have been deeply disturbed - so maybe you can get the picture from the emotion that has been stirred already.

[Irish]

I,personally,don't believe that ANY pictures of the war should be
shown.Unless you have seen things personally,you wouldn't
believe the things that go on, on both sides!As I have said before,
two wrongs don't make a right.I think it is dispicable to show,
other peoples misery! Irish
P.S.My $.02.