Cloneing Gone TOO Far!

[Bilbo]

Human clone embryo implant claim


AFP - An American fertility specialist, Panayiotis Zavos, claimed to have become the first person to implant a cloned human embryo in a woman's womb.

"We have implanted the first embryo two weeks ago," Zavos told a news conference, but he cautioned that the woman, an unnamed 35-year-old, might not become pregnant.

"We are waiting for the results this weekend. We expect success but it could result in no pregnancy," he said.

On May 13 last year, Zavos, who is based in Lexington, Kentucky, said he had obtained a human embryo through cloning and he intended to implant it soon afterwards.

He said the clone was made using cells taken from a 45-year-old American woman in a secret laboratory outside the United States, in a country he would not name.

At the time, he said he would not implant the embryo until exhaustive checks had been done.

"We are not that desperate to transfer embryos without knowing the complete story about its genetic stability and its biological status and its ability to give rise to a healthy child," he said.

Zavos was previously highly critical of the group Clonaid, which claimed in 2002 to have cloned a human baby.

Clonaid was formed by the controversial Raelian sect. It never produced scientific proof to support its claims and was treated with widespread scepticism by experts.

[Bilbo]

Now I am by no means against Stem Cell Research, as this my provide a way for those Paralysed or cripled with incureable defects

But if this is true

all this will lead too is the finale of the Sixth Day Violation


your thoughts?

[Catch22]

What they don't tell you is they have to do about a hundred before one takes. That sheep that was the first has since died. It is a long way off before it will be a working idea.

[PantyFanatic]

Only by driving research underground and into “secret” will it become abused and distorted for certain.

Like the first piece of sharp flint picked up, it can become tool to better our existence or a weapon to destroy it. But the sharp rock IS here!

[Catch22]

Hmm. 100s of pfs or c22s would be a worry. :)

[celticangel]

cloning of the physical may be with us~~~but I don't believe they will ever beable to clone the "soul"~~~~the part of us that makes us individual.

[jennaflower]

CC I believe you are 100% correct. ;)

Altho I am not pleased with the recent claim, I won't put much value on it until it is proven to be correct... it is bound to be attempted at some point.. and is probably pretty inevitable at this point.. greed.. noteriety... all being a driving force for those like this doctor who are trying to make it happen without the rest of us knowing.

[Lilith]

Would not surprise me to find that it has already occurred. Once a sheep was possible so was a human. I would think major government funded labs already know they can do this. I think part of any good long-term study would be that the offspring and it's peers not be aware it was a clone.

[Tess]

If you could clone yourself, would you do you? Just wondering...

[Lilith]

probably but strictly in the interest of science:D

[Tess]

Fetching my lab coat. Want to be on the cutting edge of science.

If you did do you, would that be incest, or autoerotic?

[PantyFanatic]

Hell no! Now we can blame god.

Do you really want to be responsible for more people?:eek:

[dm383]

Originally posted by Catch22
What they don't tell you is they have to do about a hundred before one takes. That sheep that was the first has since died. It is a long way off before it will be a working idea.


It may be germane to point out that Dolly (the sheep in question) died of Old Age!! She WAS 11 years old, after all!!

Re: the cloning story...... it seems just a WEE bit far-fetched.... the fact that this scientist is unwilling to divulge anything about his "project" strikes me as a trifle suspect!

DM

[jseal]

Gentlefolk,

Dolly the sheep was born on 5 July 1996, and died 14 February 2003. Sheep can live to 11 or 12 years old, so at 5 years and 7 months, Dolly was relatively young when she died. While there's no proof that cloning was to blame, her relatively early death does fuel the debate about the ethics of cloning research and the long-term health of clones.

As PantyFanatic has pointed out, banning all cloning will have the effect of driving the research to environments where peer review and peer pressure will be unable to influence the research. The therapeutic cloning that Bilbo referred to would also be prohibited if cloning research were banned.

The legal, ethical, and moral issues associated with cloning are neither trivial nor insuperable. As PantyFanatic has pointed out, the problem is not one of science, but of technology. Forty years of molecular biology cannot be wished away. Only a fool could believe that this genie could be put back into the bottle.

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/antenna/dolly/index.asp

[dm383]

Originally posted by jseal
[B]Gentlefolk,

Dolly the sheep was born on 5 July 1996, and died 14 February 2003. Sheep can live to 11 or 12 years old, so at 5 years and 7 months, Dolly was relatively young when she died. While there's no proof that cloning was to blame, her relatively early death does fuel the debate about the ethics of cloning research and the long-term health of clones.


Thanks, jseal.... that'll teach me to CHECK in future!!


The legal, ethical, and moral issues associated with cloning are neither trivial nor insuperable. As PantyFanatic has pointed out, the problem is not one of science, but of technology. Forty years of molecular biology cannot be wished away. Only a fool could believe that this genie could be put back into the bottle.


It's NEVER going to go away, that's for sure..... we can only hope this, and other technologies, are used appropriately.

DM

[dm383]

Got the news on here, which is going into this whole thing quite in-depth (for a change!!)

Apparently, Dolly was born with genes as OLD as it's mother!! It seems she didn't die naturally, either; she suffered from severe arthritis and chronic lung disease, and had to be "put down".

From what this Doctor has said here (on GMTV, for Brit members) he's claiming he managed to create this "clone" first time....... as opposed to 147 failed attempts with Dolly!

What are the odds, d'you think?

DM

[Catch22]

Yes rapid aging, so for cloning to work you need to take them at birth to be used later.

[jseal]

Gentlefolk,

It seems that the attempt by Dr. Zavos to clone a human has failed. Dr. Zavos's team checked for a hormone which would indicate a pregnancy had developed two to three weeks after the embryo was implanted - but the results were negative.

The scientist has said that the materials and methods he used in his research will be published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal "in the near future." Dr. Zavos told the London press conference: "Successful or not, we are going to do another one and another one and another until we succeed."

If anyone is interested in seeing how a thoroughly modern scientist markets his wares,

http://www.zavos.org/

[WildIrish]

Am I the only one concerned that there's an American fertility specialist named Panayiotis Zavos?