Time for a signature cutback!!!!!!!!!

[Rygel]

Hi,
I just want a rant! I have been surfing the threads and it seems that some peoples signatures are like 10 times longer than any of the posts!

How about we have a maximum length on the signatures - say 3 lines or something???????

If you have lots of links you want to post why not do them one after the other rather than each on a new line!

KYgel

[dadaist]

I know I'm going to get flamed for this, but tough ****.

When I got started on the Internet a decade ago, before the web took off, and messages were really limited to e-mail and USENET (and similar news systems), there was an informal "four line .signature" rule. When I've used a .sig on any BBS, Web forum, or other board (including Usenet), I've tended to follow this. These days, I tend not to use any .sig's at all. Too much trouble to keep updated rather than just typing 'vi .signature' somewhere.

Edit: I thought this was the case and it is. You CAN turn off options to view user's signatures AND avatars in the forums.

[Loulabelle]

Excellent idea for a thread Rygel!

I think you'll find quite a few people will vote, as I know that there are opinions on this but not many people will express their opinions by posting for fear of upsetting their fellow Pixie members and friends.

[Lilith]

yes you can turn off the signatures.... I think some uniformity of font size might be nice but I love reading what people have elected to use. I know I have tried to condense mine some cause I thought it was taking up alot of space.

[Eros]

Yeah..those people with the long signatures need to know what's up!!!...

...*looks down*....

Dammit!!!

[dm383]

I can see your point Rygel, and to some extent I agree with you; but, given that you have the option of turning them off, I say leave 'em alone!! Personally, I've often thought mine was a bit long, but it was written to express my feelings for Celticangel and it means a lot to me that my feelings for her are "out there" for her (and any/everyone else) to see!! {Well, not the LAST line, obviously!:))

I would guess that everyone's sig. is important to them in some way, and I reckon we should all be allowed to express ourselves how we want... like I said, you can always turn them off!!

Just my tuppence worth! :)

DM

[Sharni]

The sigs are a way for people to express themselves.....i enjoy reading them...and i can scroll like a demon *LOL*...so i can just pass em by if i'm in a hurry

My vote: Leave them alone!

Turn them off if you find them annoying

[BamaKyttn]

Rygel, darling just because you have nothing to say that doesn't mean you should be able to muzzle the rest of us who do.

You gotta stand of something or you'll fall for anything.

Always, (and PMSing)

Kyttn

[BamaKyttn]

>>>>>>>>>>.For Moderator's deleting pleasure <<<<<<<<<<<<

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH My Hands are too busy on my cock to scroll down! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[Lilith]

Would that be the same cock you chased that poor man with in chat today???? :o;)

[BamaKyttn]

He liked it. he doesn't know he did but tonight, in a cold sweat he'll wake up and know he wants his dick turned inside out and then to be fucked in the ass so my pink strapon can strokie his prostate and his penis at the same time.

[quisath]

I don't have a Problem with them..................I kinda Like reading them too...........................tells me a lot about a Person.

Sharni Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cheyanne]

I also enjoy reading the sigs. Some are quite funny, some are really serious. And as the responses before me, they do tell you little about a person.

[FussyPucker]

I'll admit that yes it did used to bug me a bit but.............I got over it now if I wanna read 'em I do.......If I don't I scroll on by :D

Of course I rarely keep the same sig for 2 weeks and it's usually pretty short.........but that's just cos it represents me.........short n funny to look at :p

[Rygel]

Originally posted by BamaKyttn
Rygel, darling just because you have nothing to say that doesn't mean you should be able to muzzle the rest of us who do.

You gotta stand of something or you'll fall for anything.

Always, (and PMSing)

Kyttn


Be Careful Kyttn.

[BamaKyttn]

Rygel, why should I who died and made YOU moderator?

[BamaKyttn]

I really think that for someone who's only been a member for LESS than 10 days, you're an audacious newbie who hasn't yet learned how this forum works. Before you complain about something you really should investigate all aspects of the nature of your complaint and those it affects. Welcome to the world of adults and happy belated 18th.

[Casperr]

Shrug.

I just scroll past if i don't wanna read it. Don't see what the big deal is really.


And if it bugs you, turn them off!!!

And if you don't, I'll slap you with a trout!

CasperTG

[Rygel]

Believe me, attacking my initial statement, despite the fact there was absolutely no need to, is a very bad idea.

My suggestion is good suggestion. This is one of the few forums where signatures are not moderated, perhaps because it has been overlooked so far. I am suggesting that we have certain limits - such as a modest line count. 5 or 6 lines should be enough for anyone to express themselves fully.

Kitten you attacked me because I was the one who brought it up. There was no need for that. I do not bring this up out of some deep routed insecurity, but because it is a valid observation.

My claws are far bigger than yours kitten. I would suggest you dont test them.

[BamaKyttn]

>>Kitten you attacked me because I was the one who brought it up. There was no need for that. I do not bring this up out of some deep routed insecurity, but because it is a valid observation.

My claws are far bigger than yours kitten. I would suggest you dont test them.
<<

Unfortunately your claws are much bigger than your powers of observation, no I no E Kyttn. Oh and Threats are passe, unless you fancy yourself some sort of guerilla.....

My "attack" is due to you being a complainer less than 10 days into your membership. Kim has done a great job maintaining control without limiting members. Most of your forums were not like this. Unfortunately you picked the WRONG thing to post about especially as your second thread.

>pulls out file and pink polish< care for a manicure?

Kyttn

[skipthisone]

I think one of the keys that make this forum great is one of Bama's statements...If you do not like it MOVE OVER IT....

There is going to be lots of things you do not like or would not want to look at here, that is because we come from many lands with many tastes and frankly that is why you cannot compare pixies to other forums...cause to me this is the best forum.

BTW Rygel, I have seen Bama's claws a few times and well....Is why I lick her feet instead of fighting with her....

[Casperr]

Whereas I just lick her feet cos she's got nice feet......

CasperTG

[skipthisone]

Me too casper, she has some of the tastiest toe jam around

[Cabrylla]

Okay, okay I'm not licking Kyttn's feet...but I did have to say...Rygel...you're picking the wrong girl to attempt sharpening your so called "claws" on....

[jseal]

Gentlefolk,

OK, I'll bite; how do I turn off the signatures (I'm not fond of the looooooooooooong ones either)?

[Casperr]

Now I wanna lick Cabrylla's avatar!

CasperTG

[Aqua]

Originally posted by Rygel

My claws are far bigger than yours kitten. I would suggest you dont test them.
Rygel, Kyttn is a long standing and well regarded member of Pixies. I would suggest you respect your elders. While she took a less than tactful way to make her point, you should really think twice about how you choose to argue yours.

[Steph]

Originally posted by jseal
Gentlefolk,

OK, I'll bite; how do I turn off the signatures (I'm not fond of the looooooooooooong ones either)?

When you go to user cp, there's an option to turn off sigs. I just turned them off. I'll probably turn the option on again at some point to see the changes but I'm going to take a break from them for a while. :)

[babybunny]

*hands everyone some chill pills*

Rygel, like everyone said if you dont like them, just turn them off. This site has been around for a good while and, if it aint broke then no need for a fix. Text doesnt slow down the loading process. I could understand if we were allowed to have pics/graphics in our sigs, as that may be a valiad complaint, but we arent. Its just a matter of preference. No need to unfurl claws out about this.

[jseal]

Steph,

A thousand praises madam. Worked like a champ!

[Steph]

My pleasure, sir. Let's go browse some "naked" posts!

[jseal]

Rygel,

As they said in the (admittedly old) ad, "Try it. You'll like it!"

[Kim]

Ok, well here is what I think, and hence what is going to happen.

Rygel has made a valid thread, and a valid point regardless of his percieved status. He posted a poll so that people could express their opinions anonymously and without offending others.

So firstly I will say why I think it is actually a good idea to moderate the signatures.

Importantly, large signatures slow down the site - every user has to download those signatures each time that user makes a post. This means pages are bigger and hence take longer for you to download to your computer.
Bigger pages also take up more bandwidth which means Pixies-Place's server takes longer to send the pages to your computers.

Aesthetically I also think it is nice to have some uniformity with regard to page layout, and therefore with the signatures.

Signatures that do take up 15 lines plus are a nuisance to scroll past, repeatedly. Users shouldn't have to switch off signatures altogether as they are good to read, and interesting - but shouldnt get in the way of reading the thread. Signatures of excessive length do this.

So in regard to these opinions I have reduced the font used in signatures, to compact them. I think this is a good idea because it allows people to write more in a smaller space and therefore signatures will no longer get in the way of reading a thread.
In addition to this I will be adding a maximum number of lines that a signature can be. This will be a generous quota of 7 lines.
I feel this amount of space is ample for anyone to fully express themselves as they wish.

In the meantime I will ask people with long signatures to please reasses them and try and get them reduced to 7 lines or less.

If anyone has a problem with these changes then feel free to get in touch with me.


Secondly I really do not see the need for the kind of comment that Bamakyttn made. It was uncalled for and made solely because Rygel has only recently registered. Does that make his opinions any less valid? No - many other long time members agreed with him as demonstrated by the replies and the poll.

I would suggest that Kyttn reasseses how she sees people and how she reacts to them. We have very little bitchyness here and I would like to keep it that way. We should encourage new members and make them feel welcome, not try to alienate them for contributing and having opinions.

Thank you,
Kim

[celticangel]

don't sweat the petty things ~~~~or is it~~~~~~don't pet the sweaty things?

hugs and a nice cup of tea with chocolate biccies to dunk all round!xxxxxxxxxxxx

[dadaist]

Wow. Again Kim's wisdom/experience shines through.
I've got nothing further to add.

[BamaKyttn]

I do, don't I always. Beauracracy is really the sum of all things. Every place is politics, even I won't argue with Kim, Da Boss. I do my best to run most of my "Bitchy" posts past several people including a moderator or two. Most of the Regs in Chat have seen me come in and bounce my ideas off of them.

No it was not made solely because he was a newbie. I have made threads that were contraversial my Raped! thread for instance. and it also got ragged by people but of course being a seasoned pixie member I handled it my self with no "claws unfurling."

arrgh not enough hours in the day more later when the wife isn't breathing down my neck

Kyttn

[LixyChick]

I'm just jotting down this thought to see how wittle my sig. got! LOL!

OK.........I'm good! Next!

[Teddy Bear]

Thank you Kim!!!

As I read this thread I was shocked, embarssed and ashamed that a new member would be treated like Rygel was. We all have such different opinions and should never be afraid to voice them. But if doing so is going to get the response this poll did,,,,,, well who would ever dare post.

Kim, you said just exactly what I was thinking. Thank you for your fairness, your level head and for being our fearless leader. *bows*

[Sugarsprinkles]

Originally posted by Rygel
Be Careful Kyttn.


Perhaps there were some rude things said to Rygel, but if one goes back and reads ALL the posts you will notice that there was nothing rude said to him until HE issued what I consider his ill advised 'warning'.
That, I believe, is where his new member status entered the discussion. I don't believe it's good manners when you are new to a site to immediately start issuing 'warnings' to long standing members. The fact that he is new and started a discussion on something we've always taken for granted was not the issue. There is no harm in the original intent of the thread, and he made his point clearly and intelligently. A poll was a wise way to handle it. But his "Be Careful Kyttn" remark was clearly antagonistic.
I don't think BamaKyttn should be the only one chastised for the tone this thread eventually took.
This is just one member's opinion. Take it for what you think it's worth.

[LixyChick]

I agree with ya SS! I was gonna say it but I didn't think I could voice it so eloquently and diplomatically. TY for saying what I couldn't put into words!

[dm383]

I agree with SS too...... it's a pity that the whole thing had to degenerate into a slanging match; NOT what I like to see here!!

BTW Kim.... a masterful (mistressful?) stroke by you, yet again!! What would we do without you?? :heart:

DM

[Casperr]

Look I just like licking Bama's feet, ok? What's the big deal????

;)

CasperTG

[quisath]

I Love the way Sugar Mediates. She's a Darlin.

[Loulabelle]

Originally posted by Loulabelle
Excellent idea for a thread Rygel!

I think you'll find quite a few people will vote, as I know that there are opinions on this but not many people will express their opinions by posting for fear of upsetting their fellow Pixie members and friends.


Oops! Looks like I was wrong about people not posting their opinions.......but reading this thread for the first time since I posted my earlier comment, I can't help but wonder if it would have been wiser for a lot of people not to express their opinions here!!!!! Lol......

Something I have observed here at Pixies is that once a member has become well established they have a lot more freedom to say what they like and express opinions but perhaps we should all look at it from a newbie's point of view for a change.

They come to this place, lurk a little bit and see how we interact....they register, introduce themselves and then begin to post following the suit of people they see around them, although not yet completely aware of all the 'unwritten rules' which apply here. Then an older member comes along and shoots them down in flames.

While we do have certain codes of conduct here at Pixies of which I am in total favour, perhaps it would do everyone good to remember that the new people do not know these rules yet and may occasionally overstep the mark in some people's opinions. Perhaps we could ALL learn to be a little more tolerant at times.

I personally, did not really lurk here at Pixies but I imagine that if I had, and I'd seen some of the new people shot down in flames like they have been in the past, I'd probably never dared to have spoken.

On the one hand we are always encouraging them to post, but on the other, I have so often seen new people on the site being slated for saying something out of turn.....I suppose all I'm trying to say is give the newbies a break! They deserve MORE tolerance than the older members as they don't know the rules. And when it comes to tolerance, politeness and respect, perhaps we older members could try a little harder to lead by example.




(This comment is an observation which has been bugging me for a little while now, and has been prompted by this thread.........it is not meant to be specific to this particular situation, or any particular people who've commented here, and it is said with the ideal of this site remaining a harmonious and peaceful playground in mind.)

[DallasLiving]

I agree with you, Loulabelle. I have been mainly just reading the postings lately. But his comment and the way he originally handled it was the correct way. But got a reply that was not just an opinon of shorten them or leave them. Did he handle it in turn the correct way, no. But then the comments got worse by other regulars telling him to respect his elders (senior members).

Would make me think about posting and just staying as a lurker if this was the first thread I read.

(getting my 3 cents back from the nickle I threw in)

[PantyFanatic]

<-------- *Stands on the ridge in the rear, collecting the ax handles that were passed out and crosses out all bets that were placed. Resigned from making any public conviction… makes observation notes on back of bet-slips.*:rolleyes:

“Yep- We quibble. Can’t fuck with our own even with good smoke.”:D

[BamaKyttn]

Damn Panty , can I keep my handle.... I kept it last time it's worn so it fits my hands...........

[PantyFanatic]

The world is homogenizing everywhere. Nothing allowed to stand in the corner any more. :mad:











(They’re all under the mattress) ;)

[Steph]

Originally posted by BamaKyttn
Rygel, darling just because you have nothing to say that doesn't mean you should be able to muzzle the rest of us who do.


This is where I have to respectfully disagree with SS . . . I thought this post attacked the thread starter. I thought the thread was a good one. I have many quotes I use for inspiration but I don't want to clog up the board with them. That's just my opinion. Not having a sig doesn't mean I have nothing to say.

[BamaKyttn]

Steph I'm gladthat you're..... no. Dear, you go right ahead. >bows out, in Kims' direction<

[Steph]

You can finish your sentence . . . after all, wasn't it you who said those who have nothing to say shouldn't muzzle the rest of us?

A) I think some sigs were too long. I still respected the people who had 'em.

B) I thought you were kinda harsh in dealing with Ry . . . you mentioned you were PMSing, fer Chrissakes. You knew you were bitchy then asked him who died and made him moderator then talked about him being a newbie. People stood up for you, I'm standing behind him on this one.

[BamaKyttn]

Steph I shall defer only to the wise Voltaire in saying "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. "

Kyttn

[Aqua]

Originally posted by DallasLiving
But then the comments got worse by other regulars telling him to respect his elders (senior members).

That is a worse comment? No. I stand it is a true comment. Tossing out a threat is poor judgement, newbie or senior member, but for a short while a newbie is akin to a guest and should take the time to learn the customs of the house. Apparently threatening other members is acceptable behavior to some of you.

And just for the record, Yes... Bama was incredibly rude when it was not necessary... and she's been chastised sufficiently I would say.

[PantyFanatic]

I thought this one was over. All has had their valid say. We have to save some of our powder for when a REAL menace may stumble through.

Go post on the 10^6 thread. We can use the help and you can vent there. LOL ;)

[Lilith]

Everyone makes poor choices sometimes but to continue to rehash them is pointless in my opinion. Continuing will only serve to cause more hurt feelings and to alienate people. Everyone is entitled to have opinions but at this point what are you hoping to accomplish by expressing it. A question was posed, opinions were given, a solution was enacted and now it's simply arguing over manners. Since I am not Emily Post or her cyber equivalent I will keep my opinion to myself;)


Have we not sexier things to talk about?

[FussyPucker]

Hey Lilith I'm naked wanna come over n rub me up n down ??? :D

[Sharni]

If she doesn't...i will :lust:

[Scarecrow]

Hey Sharni the corn is really starting to grow here in Illinois

[dicksbro]

Even the beans are starting to come up. Boy if that ain't sexy, what is? :D :D

You can always tell a mid-westerner. :)

[FussyPucker]

woo hoo Sharni AND lil now that would be something :D:D:D