Big Brother is watching everyone.....

[Cheyanne]

FBI Wants Internet Wiretapping
More Voice Calls Done Online

POSTED: 12:53 p.m. EST April 4, 2003

NEW YORK -- How do you wiretap a phone when the wires used to make the call are linked to the Internet?

That's a question being tackled by federal officials now that more calls are being made over the Internet.

The FBI and other law enforcement agencies want to make sure Internet phone calls fall under the same rules that govern standard phones.

Phone companies must have built-in abilities to listen-in on calls should a wiretap be required.

Authorities say making online wiretaps available will keep criminals and terrorists from using the Internet to shield their activities.

But privacy advocates say being able to tap into Internet calls may also let authorities tap into e-mail, digital files and other communications.

How understanding do we have to be in these times of trouble?

[Deno]

Goodbye Freedom.. hello Police State.

[chanserv]

So many of you were worried about me watching you, but as you can see that worry is misplaced. I only wish to observe your erotic interludes, which have been quite interesting as of late.

[axe31]

and the criminals and terrorists are the ones who will have anti-buging equipment any way so this will be usless any way

[LixyChick]

*ducking*

Geezzzzzzzzzzzz! Now we have to revert to smoke signals? I suck at smoke signals! My blankey always catches on fire! Oh fuck!

[jseal]

Originally posted by axe31
and the criminals and terrorists are the ones who will have anti-buging equipment any way so this will be usless any way

Correct, but they will be able (and HM Government is already able) to listen in on John Doe talking to Joe Blogs.

Bad news all around.

[don73153]

We have to be smarter than the damn terrorists, people.

It's a small price we pay for our safety, and that of our children.

By the way, if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. THEY aren't looking for YOU!!

[Scarecrow]

You will do well to remember that the US military started the internt.

[dicksbro]

Probably no need to worry ... they're likely to only wiretap for things they know, don't know or aren't sure of. All the rest they probably won't care about, except on weekends and days of the week that end in "day". :)

[Sharni]

You think big brother isn't already watching :rolleyes: :confused: This is just another avenue for them

Well i aint got nothing to hide....so i don't care either way!

[BigBear57]

I think if giving up a little here can save lives what the hell. It's sort of spooky to think of the abuses possible from tapping everyday folk but then then the alternative is more frightening.
Oh... and Lixy those blankets probably catch fire of their own accord, from having touched that hot bod of yours. Just my thoughts. ;-)

[jseal]

don73153 & BigBear57,

If you change what you say because it might be …misinterpreted… by government eavesdroppers, you have lost some of your liberty. How much liberty SHOULD be lost for the security you MAY have gained? Remember that the loss of liberty is real and that the gain in security can only be speculated as "what might have happened otherwise". You would do well to read a novel titled "1984" by George Orwell. It addresses this issue.

[jseal]

Originally posted by Scarecrow
You will do well to remember that the US military started the internt.

It might be better to say that the Department of defense funded the development of the Internet, rather than started it. It was largely an academic exercise. Note that the RAND stdy in 1964, which is often referenced , was about voice communications, not data communications. I will grant you that the DoD did influence the development, by directing funding (1976). A very abbreviated history of the internet follows. References at the bottom.

1957: United States forms the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) within the Department of Defense (DoD) to establish US lead in science and technology applicable to the military

1962: First description of the social interactions that could be enabled through networking was a series of memos by J.C.R. Licklider of MIT discussing his "Galactic Network" concept. He envisioned a globally interconnected set of computers through which everyone could quickly access data and programs from any site. In spirit, the concept was very much like the Internet of today. J.C.R. Licklider & W. Clark, "On-Line Man Computer Communication", August 1962.

Licklider was the first head of the computer research program at DARPA, starting in October 1962. While at DARPA he convinced his successors at DARPA, Ivan Sutherland, Bob Taylor, and MIT researcher Lawrence G. Roberts, of the importance of this networking concept.

1964: Paul Baran, of the RAND Corporation (a government agency), was commissioned by the U.S. Air Force to do a study on how it could maintain its command and control over its missiles and bombers, after a nuclear attack. P. Baran, "On Distributed Communications Networks", IEEE Trans. Comm. Systems, March 1964

1967: In late 1966 Roberts went to DARPA to develop the computer network concept and assembled his plan for the "ARPANET", publishing it in 1967. At the conference where he presented the paper, there was also a paper on a packet network concept from the UK by Donald Davies and Roger Scantlebury of NPL

1968: ARPA awarded the ARPANET contract. The physical network was constructed in 1969, linking four nodes: University of California at Los Angeles, SRI (in Stanford), University of California at Santa Barbara, and University of Utah.

1972: In March Ray Tomlinson at BBN, a private firm in Cambridge, Mass, wrote the basic email message send and read software, motivated by the need of the ARPANET developers for an easy coordination mechanism. In July, Roberts expanded its utility by writing the first email utility program to list, selectively read, file, forward, and respond to messages. From there email took off as the largest network application for over a decade. This was a harbinger of the kind of activity we see on the World Wide Web today, namely, the enormous growth of all kinds of "people-to-people" traffic. Pixies Place is an excellent example of this.

1973: Development began on the protocol later to be called TCP/IP, it was developed by a group headed by Vinton Cerf from Stanford and Bob Kahn from DARPA. This new protocol was to allow diverse computer networks to interconnect and communicate with each other.

1974: First Use of term Internet by Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn in paper on Transmission Control Protocol V. G. Cerf and R. E. Kahn, "A protocol for packet network interconnection", IEEE Trans. Comm. Tech., vol. COM-22, V 5, pp. 627-641, May 1974.

1976: The Department of Defense began to experiment with the TCP/IP protocol and decided to require it for use on ARPANET.

1981: Vinton Cerf proposed a plan for an inter-network connection between CSNET and the ARPANET.

1983: Every machine connected to ARPANET had to use TCP/IP

1984: The ARPANET was divided into two networks: MILNET and ARPANET. MILNET was to serve the needs of the military and ARPANET to support the advanced research component, Department of Defense continued to support both networks.

1990: Department of Defense disbanded the ARPANET and it was replaced by the NSFNET backbone. The original 50Kbs lines of ARPANET were taken out of service.

Tim Berners-Lee and CERN in Geneva implements a hypertext system to provide efficient information access to the members of the international high-energy physics community. From whence comes the World Wide Web.

http://www.isoc.org/internet/history/brief.shtml#Origins

http://www.davesite.com/webstation/net-history.shtml

[PantyFanatic]

Originally posted by chanserv
So many of you were worried about me watching you, but as you can see that worry is misplaced. I only wish to observe your erotic interludes, which have been quite interesting as of late. I've been wanting to meet you for a LOOOOOOONG time.:D


*holds surprise behind his back*:rolleyes:

[PantyFanatic]

You must be wrong jseal.

Al Gore invented the internet.:rolleyes:

[Scarecrow]

Since that is the way it was published then that is the way it happened???

[jseal]

Originally posted by pantyfanatic
You must be wrong jseal.

Al Gore invented the internet.:rolleyes:

Well... that account does have the benefit of brevity.

[jseal]

Originally posted by Scarecrow
Since that is the way it was published then that is the way it happened???

You raise an interesting issue in epistemology. How do we know what we know? I leave that to people with better minds than mine. The history I did offer is from the hands of those who built the Internet, Barry M. Leiner , Vinton G. Cerf , David D. Clark, Robert E. Kahn, Leonard Kleinrock, Daniel C. Lynch, Jon Postel, Lawrence G. Roberts, Stephen Wolff. You may recognize one or more of their names...

It was an idea very much in the air during the 60s. The concept of a decentralized, blast proof, packet-switching network was kicked around by RAND, MIT and UCLA. The National Physical Laboratory in Great Britain set up the first test network on these principles in 1968.

Try following the links; the first is an easier read than the second, although the second has more information.
"Triumph of the Nerds" www.pbs.org/nerds/
"Short History of the Internet" www.forthnet.gr/forthnet/isoc/short.history.of.internet

After the World Wide Web and email, Usenet newsgroups are probably the most popular feature of the Internet. For a look back at where Usenet came from and its future possibilities, check out "USENET History" by Lee S. Bumgarner of James Madison University. www.vrx.net/usenet/history/

Incidentally, the origin of the Usenet newsgroup alt.sex is explained there. It turns out that alt.sex came to pass due to a typo! Yes folks, In 1988, Richard Sexton typed "lical" rather than "local" for distribution when demonstrating to Ralph Freudenberger how to new create a thread No really! That’s how it happened. www.vrx.net/usenet/history/alt.sex/

[Lilith]

*flashes Chanserv*:D:D

sorry, but all this net/geek talk is getting me hot:p

[PantyFanatic]

Originally posted by jseal


Well... that account does have the benefit of brevity. For real-

Thank you very much for the chronicle and the packaging. Very Interesting. ;)

[PantyFanatic]

Lilith-

ChanServ is still going to get his bris ceremony for all the time he messed with me.




(I don't hold a grudge, I just get even);)

[Oldfart]

I have little fear of faceless trolls listening in on me or reading my

electronic mails.

Any who do so will be driven mad in small order.

Revenge is sweet.

[chanserv]

Why so much animosity pantyfanatic? If you are harboring anger at me for the incidents in the chatroom, I can assure you that it was nickserv who was responsible. By the way, where is the 1 from the end of your nick?

Lilith, thank you for the exposure.

[PantyFanatic]

No animosity here Chan. … Step a little closer Chan.:D … I’m sure it was nickserv Chan.:D ……….Will you do something for me Chan?:D … Will you sing Mary Had A Little Lamb for me Chan?:D …… And Chan, you can just call me DAVE, Chan. :D :D

[Casperr]

CasperTG SLAPS chanserv with a wet, slimy, smelly trout!

CasperTG

[chanserv]

pantyfanatic, or Dave if you prefer. I will sing for you as a peace offering.

CasperTG, I am sorry to say I do not understand the purpose of hitting me with raw fish. Is this a customary greeting in your household? Please forgive my ignorance.

[PantyFanatic]

I like that Chan.:)

It's very close to what I remember Chan.:)

Just keep singing Chan.:)

[Irish]

Pantyfanatic---I have a T-shirt,that says something like what you
said in parenthesis(sp?)It says-"I don't get mad,I just get even!"
It lies tho,I get mad&I get even.I have one that you might like
better!It is black with gold letters.It says-"Payback,is a bitch!"
Irish

[chanserv]

Ok, Dave, I will sing more. I am glad to see your animosity toward me has diminished.