Iraq/Halliburton
 

We regularly hear about CEOs incomes. I'd be interested in hearing about the wealth of Mr. Cheney. Can anyone point me towards a link?

Oh, can anyone post a :rant: about the wealth of the presidential team in the Oval Office?

How many TRILLIONS was spent on this war?

..... at least that is what the Swiss banker told me. :shrug:

Try:

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org

Oh, in particular, this page on the site:

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/cheneyflops2.html

Uh oh, this one will be the true test of whether or not my step-dad is actually a lurking member of Pixies. :nod:

I'm pretty sure he would be able to check out the stories and pics without actually making himself known but get the subject of Bush and/or Cheney rolling and he'll come pouncing out of the woodwork. If about 20 different links appear that link those two from everything from the JFK assasination to the rise in gas prices, I'll know he's here. :rofl:

The good news is that the US government has all the money they'll ever need.

The bad news is that it's currently in our pockets. :(

For those who are interested in facts on some of these issues ...

That's the thing, though! I read an article about your pension plan and how it's basically fucked yet ours is set forever. My government has fixed our old age pension and it was a top-secret deal when the powers that be up here talked to the mucky mucks down there.

They listened but the fact remained that it was a "Canadian" idea therefore it held no water.

They mocked it, g-d-it!

Our pension plan is golden. Yours . . . not so much.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have."


Thomas Jefferson








;)

Thomas was, and remains, correct.

i prefer to remain in blissful ignorance. :D

Must.. resist... urge... to rant. Must... not.... get drawn... back into.. politics. So... depressing...

Eh.... I'm so tempted to go in depth what I think about well, just about every facet of the current two-faced, cowardly, war-mongering, and idiotic Administration, but talks about politics rarely end in anything positive. It also depresses me.

It may not end in anything positive but they can be wildly entertaining.

Politics and religion and war...

I can say that they are three subjects that should be avoided so as not to cause debate and/or bad feelings. Also, that this country separates church and state.

Oh...wait...that's NOT necessarily true anymore now...is it?

Um...NEVERMIND! I can't speak on this subject due to the fact that I LOVE YOU PEOPLE!

LixyChick,

They never were - at least as some might want.

Personally I enjoy talking about it even with people of opposing views, you learn more that way than if you talk to all people who have the exact same view, but I realize most people get way to caught up in the debate and the conflict becomes personal. So yes I steer away from politics and religion.

The last war the military-industrial complex didn't profit from was fought with sticks and stones.

And I'd be willing to bet "Og's Sticks & Stones Inc." soon figured out how to clean up supplying both sides even then...

Didn't someone once say that all wars are fought over commerce?

Changed that.. but yes I think for the majority of them.

Carl von Clausewitz, in On War said "war is a means to a political end". He also said "War is merely the continuation of policy by other means". Basically the same thing.

On War is one of those books most people should read, and I kick myself for having never gotten around to it.

You can read On War here http://www.clausewitz.com/CWZHOME/V.../ONWARTOC2.HTML

if it so intrests you.

Jude30, yes, I highly recommend Clausewitz. And, if you have the time, Sun Tzu, "The Art of War".

But as a follow-on to Clausewitz, read Gen Rupert Smith's, "The Utility of Force", Alfred A Knopf publishers, 2005.

I understand that but Cheney is making SO much money in Iraq. It's sickening, IMHO.

Steph,

Do you have any evidence to support that claim?

Do you have any evidence that doesn't?

Does he still own stock in Halliburton? If so it would seem to be pretty obvious that he has earned a crap load of money off of dividends from that stock which would have greatly benefited from the no bid contracts Halliburton was awarded.

The unspoken (till now) question was whether these plutocrats failed to stop this war in order to line their pockets.

It will take a congressional enquiry to absolutely establish whether this happened, so until that day, all is cynical speculation.

Sad, innit?

Jude30,

For anyone who might be interested in facts on some of these issues ...

^^^that stuff reads drier and more remote than a vcr programming guide. :D

wyndhy,

Quite true! That stuff is also the federal law addressing some of the rather amusing speculations I have read here.

which speculations?

wyndhy,

Well, two that come to mind are the unsubstantiated suggestion that the Vice President is violating federal law, and another is that, in the absence of proof to the contrary, the Vice President is guilty as accused.

All that site gave was the law it did not list Chenney's holdings.

Jude30,

In light of that, permit me to refer you to my previous post.

Would you mind being less cryptic and just saying what you mean?

Jude30,

I did say what I meant in my post to wyndhy above. I find the unsubstantiated suggestion that the Vice President is violating federal law (and must have been doing so for more than seven years), and that, in the absence of proof to the contrary, the Vice President is guilty as accused, amusing speculations.

I would think it's common knowledge. I don't need to cite every bibliographical reference here. I'd invite you to disprove my opinions.

Steph,

I shall take that as an admission that you are unable to substantiate your claim.

And I asked if you had seen his holdings report. Since he's supposed to release it. Seriously do you honestly expect your argument to be just a block of legalese that noone but a lawyer can understand, and expect us to read through it all to detect the one tid bit of information that you want us to know?

i gotta say, jseal, i didn't see where anyone said it was illegal, just immoral. perhaps i missed it.