Sex Offenders/Predators

[Lilith]

What do you think? Time to insert microchips/give them permanent bracelets and track them through GPS? Lifetime probabtion? For molestion? For rape?


I like the idea of a bracelet because then the rest of society is warned. Not terribly PC maybe but I'm currently a victim advocate for a 12 year old and live in a state where kids are being murdered cause they can be, so frankly I'm jaded about a criminal's rights post prison.

What's your take on some of the current proposals in the U.S.(Florida)?

[cowgirltease]

I think castration would do nicely. ;)

[wyndhy]

i don't know much about the florida laws on the books but the bracelet idea seems like a good one. for repeat/violent ofenders, i like cgt's idea. too bad the aclu would be all over it. :rolleyes2

[Pita]

We should do whatever needs to be done to track them at all times. I live in Florida also, have a 13 year old daughter and there are 4 registered sex offenders in my area that I know of right now. One of them right down the street.

I am so damn sick and tired of these people having more rights then the childern in our country. In my opinion you commit a crime against a child there are no more rights for you but the basic human ones that we allow you to have.

It a sickness that is almost impossible to cure and we shouldn't have to put our childern at risk for their rights. :mad:

[Irish]

They should be given "Old Time"Bikers Justice or Irishs justice!Garanteed,(sp)
they'd never offend again.I'm sure that many will disagree with me but as the
father of two daughters,that's my way! Irish

[PantyFanatic]

Sex Offenders/Predators
If a sex offender is someone in an Indiana hotel room that has an adult come to him and gets her pussy eaten before going home and deciding she was raped and he goes to jail,:confused: he has paid for his pleasure. Leave him alone after that.

If a sex offender is someone that has touched a child,:mad: they should never become a predator. “Predator” denotes a previous act that could be repeated to me. A forty-five cartridge is only $.38. :rolleyes2

[dicksbro]

PF ... if that was a motion, I'll second it. :thumb:

[Irish]

PF---I used to reload 44Mags,for alot less then that.I'm sure that the same
could be done with 45s! Irish

[PantyFanatic]

PF---I used to reload 44Mags,for alot less then that.I'm sure that the same
could be done with 45s! Irish
I want new brass and fresh factory loads. ;)

[Sharni]

Death penalty is my vote for the lowlife bastards!

[dreamgurl]

I used to have this teacher in High school that would say " minors have no rights to anything, till they are old enough to vote" I think that's the attitude carried out by this country. I have to go with Pf and CGT on their answers as to what to do with them, I think we have a nice streach of dry land full of hungry animals and an abundant supply of honey and syrup that should do nicely too.

[jay-t]

The Apache's had the answer to this a long time ago ,run them naked thru a cholora (sp) thicket then castrate, problem solved

[lizzardbits]

*Lizz begins to count the days to when i can move back to the family farm in the middle of nowhere Iowa*

There seems to be many releases around here. In fact there is a registered offender within a few blocks of me, and RIGHT across from our campus k-12 school, as i found out yesterday.

I honestly felt ill to my stomach, and as i write this, i feel ill now.

...no wonder so many parents are chosing to home school....


Make them eunichs, i say, and if they are those that are touchy, cut off a finger or two or eight. Let them know a pain and suffering that THEY will have to carry throughout their lives, like the pain that they inflicted on their victims. Make sure that the procedure is done with a dull butter knife, and the person doing the procedure looks and acts like they are enjoying themselves.

I am a true believer in that if you something that it comes back to you threefold. goes for both good and bad. And for some of these ppl there is NO rehabilitation.....

ok off my soap box........... :rant: :box:

[lonelyarmywife]

there needs to be some type of visible warning to society at large that this person is a pedophile. ACLU will argue that there is a stigma to it, and they're damn right. There ought to be a stigme to it - everyone should know that this person touches children. It's only fair to parents - wehave enough to worry about and knowing would be one less thing.

Of course, if anyone ever touches my son, they won't ahve to worry about a bracelet. it's hard to wear those kinds of things six feet down.

[Cheyanne]

I have gone on the net and looked at the state's sex offender postings and found that we have 10 in our little area. Two are less than 5 miles away from us.

While I am all for the bracelets and electronic tracking, it is my understanding that not all offenders will be required to wear a bracelet - only those convicted after a certain date. This concerns me. I believe that local law enforcement should establish a special task force to take care of checking up on them as well. If they aren't at an address listed and they cannot find them, then a warrant for their arrest should be issued. Their picture should be posted in the post office and other public places to warn people. Their picture along with their charges should be faxed or hand-delivered to schools, public libraries, theaters, skating rinks, swimming pools and day care centers. Places where one would typically find children.

What I have done is taken this opportunity to have a "teaching" moment with my children. We have a secret word now. If someone comes and picks up my child, that person must tell my child the secret word. Also, I have a cell phone - she will call me when that person picks her up and lets me know even with the secret word. If that person does not know the secret word (even if she KNOWS this person), my daughter is to run to a public place and scream her head off or stay at school. I don't care if it embarrasses that person or anyone.

We keep our doors and windows locked. We can go to the courts online to find out about a person. But, no matter what we do or how prepared we are, this could happen to my child. I can only pray that it doesn't, and that we as society find ways to stop this.

[TinTennessee]

I think that anyone that harms a child in any way should have the same thing done to them, over and over and over and over...then kill the assholes!

[fzzy]

I have so many emotions attached to this issue .... knowing that in a large majority of the cases, the sex offenders were abused in a similar fashion and a similar age to those they now victimize .... so, treating their problem with the same treatment they gave .... well, it obviously created the problem, didn't solve it ... and yet the thought of someone victimizing any child is abhorant!

I like the bracelet idea ... it is something that gives a visible cue to others that they need to be aware of the possible criminal behaviors of that person ... the only problem I see is if we begin to think that those wearing a bracelet are the only ones to be wary of.

I remember watching an Oprah show where they were talking to a "recovering" child molester .... he said that whenever he moves into a community he makes a point of notifying everyone that he has this in his past and asks them to report him if they see him doing anything suspicious because he realizes that he may fall off the wagon and really doesn't want to have any more such problems on his conscience! I thought that was a very good approach from his standpoint ... no one has to look him up on a web site, he makes himself known to all in very public ways.

[Lilith]

I remember watching an Oprah show where they were talking to a "recovering" child molester .... he said that whenever he moves into a community he makes a point of notifying everyone that he has this in his past and asks them to report him if they see him doing anything suspicious because he realizes that he may fall off the wagon and really doesn't want to have any more such problems on his conscience! I thought that was a very good approach from his standpoint ... no one has to look him up on a web site, he makes himself known to all in very public ways.

Problem is that for every 1 incident reported there are estimated to be up to 30 unreported. Sooooooooo I can't tolerate the idea of expecting these individuals to do what is "right and "good" for the community by narcing on themselves.

I also have heard that the woman who harbored Lunsford's killer will not be charged with anything more serious than obstructing justice. So they are trying to pass legislation that makes the act of harboring a sex offender/predator a crime as well.

[Booger]

I have to agree that with sexual predators there should be some way of tracking them with bracelet or other means. But before the do it with all sexual offenders at least here in michigan they need to define sexual offender better. In Michigan they do have to registar and if I'm not wrong you can look them up on the net. A girl I worked with brother had to registar here because one night he was walking home form the bar. About half way home as it happens when you have been drinking he had to pee. So he walked down an alley and peed behind a dumpster. A cop happen to see him go down the alley and checked to see what he was doing and caught him and arrested him for indecent exposure which is a sexaul crime which ment he had to registar.

[Oldfart]

This is a trick issue, all right.

I have a personal like of the idea that predators should be put into working prison

farms where they are removed from society and as such are no longer the ticking

time bomb. The farms need to be escape proof and the prisoners need to work hard to grow

stuff to eat. Failure to provide for themselves leaves them dog biscuits to survive on.

Rapists to the rapist farm, paedophiles to the nonce farm etc.

Just my take.

[osuche]

How about branding? Somewhere everyone can see it. Then they can't take it off.

[Scarecrow]

I have to agree with Booger, I know a boy that when he was 17 he had sex with a 16 year old girl. He was of legal age, she was not. She turned up pregnant and he admitted to being the father. So now he is a registared sex offender. He is now raising his daughter.

[lakritze]

Has anybody seen the current movie in which Kevin Bacon playes a sex offender released from prison? This is a very serious problem complicated even further by heavy emotions. Castration would never be an acceptable answer for justice.Sex offenders are sick to begin with.If a person who has raped or molested a child was castrated and then at some time released back into society,wouldn't he think that this is just one more "injustice" done to him? wouldn't he unleash on society next time by committing murder? I am concerned about our society sinking to the level of these people by accepting violence as an answer to it's problems. An ankle bracelet would be a good answer.I think it would also work for non violent "cheque forging" type crimes that don't justify prison time.

[cowgirltease]

You don't think that having to wear that bracelet would make someone think that was an injustice to them for the world to see? That wouldn't disgrace him and make him wanna retaliate? C'mon. Get real. There is also chemical castration not just surgical you know. But yeah, the laws need to be clarified on sex offenders and pedophiles. The recurrent ones definitely need to be under tighter surveillence.

[cowgirltease]

How about branding? Somewhere everyone can see it. Then they can't take it off.
Freeze branding isn't painful. That's an idea.

[Lilith]

Unfortunately castration would not solve the problem of true predators. Many of their crimes do not even involve ejaculation, and it's not usually a sexual desire that starts things. For them it has little to do with sex, sex is just another tool of power and control.

There is however another sect of these _____(looking for a word for people, because these are not humans) who use children for sexual gratification. Typically they don't kill them, they just abuse them for years.

It's interesting to see why someone is listed as an offender and someone else a predator. Is any one of these worse than the other in regards to the toll they take on society at large?

In my state having sex with someone under the age of 12 is punishable by life in prison. How many of these criminals actually get life in prison, I wonder?

[wyndhy]

i think the word you're looking for is creatures

i wonder how many actually get away with it forever

[lonelyarmywife]

Unfortunately castration would not solve the problem of true predators. Many of their crimes do not even involve ejaculation, and it's not usually a sexual desire that starts things. For them it has little to do with sex, sex is just another tool of power and control.



yes but wouldn't some form of chemical castrations lower or inhibit their sex drive? it seems to me that lower testosterone from the castration would make them not want to have sex at all, especially with children. It seems as this would be a solution - am I making sense?

[Lilith]

Yes you are making perfect sense!!! For some of the most heinous predators it's not about sex, or their sexual needs...they are called predators because they look for prey, victims. It has been suggested that castration could make them, sex offenders, turn to other acts, torture, mutillation, murder, turning to violence sooner to appease what can no longer be released sexually (with or with out a victim). There is a predator mentality, and it's interesting that they mostly follow a very distinct profile. If you ever look at the list for your area you will start to notice a pattern pretty quickly.

While I'm not opposed to castration at all, I just don't want them walking around after having had it done. To me it offers no real protection.

[Irish]

I saw a videotape,in which,Couey(whatever)asked law enforcement,for help,
years ago,when he was previously, arrested.Law Enforcement,acts highly
indignent,when something happens,but the budget,doesn't allow for any
improvement.This isn't against Law Enforcement!My father was a Conn. State
Policeman & also a town auxilary Policeman.I'm just saying,that money has to
be appropriated to make corrections! Irish

[cowgirltease]

yes but wouldn't some form of chemical castrations lower or inhibit their sex drive? it seems to me that lower testosterone from the castration would make them not want to have sex at all, especially with children. It seems as this would be a solution - am I making sense?
Yes it does. But like Lil is talking about the Sadist part in them can't have sexual pleasure without the abuse or inflicting pain in which that the brain controls.


I've been reading the Marquis De Sade's Juliette. You're right Lil, these people are NOT human.

[cowgirltease]

i think the word you're looking for is creatures

i wonder how many actually get away with it forever
Did you know there are cults of these type of people?

[BlueSwede]

Having been raped twice and having a daughter who was sexually assaulted by a pedophile, I'm not what one could call sympathetic. However, I also have a dear friend who was falsely accused of raping a 15-yr-old who accused him because she didn't want her mother to find out that she really was having sex with her boyfriend. What he's gone through is horrendous, and he doesn't deserve to be treated for the rest of his life the way people have mentioned. I am concerned about those falsely accused and also those like the kid who was just peeing in public. How are you going to distinguish, in other words, between those who really DO need to be monitored and those whose lives you would be ruining unjustly? And if you're going to monitor sex offenders, why aren't we also monitoring murderers who are released? We've seen through the more recent use of DNA testing how many people in prison have been falsely accused of crimes, but often the truth doesn't come out until long after the person has been convicted. Someone in my state was just released after spending 18 yrs in prison for rape when new DNA evidence proved he was not the rapist. If you've already castrated the man, what are you going to say to him? Gee..ooops...sorry.

[jseal]

Lilith,

I think that some of these proposed solutions are too extreme for a liberal democracy. What has been proposed here for these acts is

Branding
Mutilation – physical or chemical.
Death

During the Middle Ages in Europe, branding for a variety of offenses was commonplace. The criminal’s sentence was, in part, being reviled for the rest of his or her life for a crime that may (or may NOT) have been committed in youth. In the 13th century, in both France and England, Jews were obliged to identify themselves with labels on their clothing. The last time I am aware of a class of people being required to publicly display a label identifying them as distinct from any other citizen was in Nazi Europe.

Mutilation/ Forced Sterilization/Castration also has been a punishment for anti-social behavior. There was a period in the not so distant past when the disciple of eugenics was used to justify the sterilization by chemicals, X-ray, and surgery of people who, by the standards of the time were considered “unsuitable” as parents. Nazi Europe was very much NOT the only government to engage in such practices.

Capital punishment is a sentence to be used sparingly. Those who suggest employing it may wish to consider if a conviction for sexual abuse – even when the victim is a child – is a crime more heinous than murder.

As the father of both a son and a daughter, I am not insensitive to the dangers of this type of criminal. I feel the same rage when I read of the savagery these people visit upon their victims. Nevertheless, all of these criminals – both male and female – are human. We may dislike accepting this ugly fact, but it is true. Demonizing them does not justify killing, mutilating, or branding them as if they were insentient animals. Our societies are not improved by institutionalizing revenge.

Permanently segregating these people from society into prisons or penal farms may be one way that we may retain our humanity while removing those who will or can not control their behavior.

[wyndhy]

Did you know there are cults of these type of people?
yes i did...it is a sick, sad world :(